HOMOCAUST - Clash of the BS I-Titans!

SeventhSon · May 23, 2013

http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2352077

Title changed per page 27 of this epic-ly disastrous thread.

Expert684 · May 23, 2013

Gee wonder what new patches you'll be able to earn now?

Danielcut · May 23, 2013

When do they start selling cookies?

JBE · May 23, 2013

Danielcut said:
When do they start selling cookies?

Instead of cookies it will be quiche and mimosas

rtr_rtr · May 23, 2013

hdfinder47 · May 23, 2013

Was a good organization for a long while.

rcm192 · May 23, 2013

They should make an organization for gay scouts and let the boy scouts be.

JNieman · May 23, 2013

"Let the Boy Scouts be"

This was an internal vote by the BSA.

SeventhSon · May 23, 2013

Well yes and no. My kids Den Leader didn't get a vote. The Units Leader didn't get a vote. The one above him didn't either. This was pretty much just the higher ups that voted and not the day in/day out leaders in the trenches so to speak.

Hitman · May 23, 2013

JNieman said:
"Let the Boy Scouts be"

This was an internal vote by the BSA.

Yep.

With some heavy outside pressure of course. Including businesses pulling their support/funding and facilities
from Local BSA Clubs unless they changed their policy on Open Homosexuals.

It's not like the initial pressure came from within but they voted on it, they could have squashed it and didn't.

The Freedom From Religion Foundation wins again and without even having to go to court.

JNieman · May 23, 2013

I can't say I care.

Either fit in with society's popular views, or they have no reason to cater to ya. S'how a free world works.

Personally, I'm happy to see discrimination/bigotry go away, any time.

Hitman · May 23, 2013

Here's there Official Statement;
http://www.scouting.org/sitecore/content/MembershipStandards/Resolution/results.aspx

Hitman · May 23, 2013

JNieman said:
Personally, I'm happy to see discrimination/bigotry go away,

Is that what you feel their old policy was?

JLouv · May 23, 2013

So what?

I was involved with the scouts well into my late 20's.......and in about 12 years, I'll be getting back into it with my son.

Even back when, there were fellow scouts, even a district rep from the big office, that everyone knew was gay. But they were good people and good friends. When they eventually "came out", no one cared. Well no one I knew of anyway. Sure some people made a stink about it, but in the end, nothing changed except my perception of those few people who would so freely hate a former friend. Out of three of the guys that outed themselves that I can think of immediately, I'm still good friends with two. A cravat to my story is that these young men did not announce themselves until well after 18yo. But like I said, we all knew, even if it took them some time to realize it themselves or get comfortable with it.

In my opinion, this policy changes nothing at all. You're a fool if you think they're not in the organization already.

Something to chew on:
Homophobia: the fear that gay men will treat you the same way that you treat women.

oleheat · May 23, 2013

I have to admit I don't know much about the BSA, as I never was one (I never felt the need to join; it would've clashed with the outdoor hobbies I was already doing, anyway).

What is the typical age a kid joins the scouts, anyway?

Hitman · May 23, 2013

JLouv said:
So what?

I was involved with the scouts well into my late 20's.......and in about 12 years, I'll be getting back into it with my son.

Even back when, there were fellow scouts, even a district rep from the big office, that everyone knew was gay. But they were good people and good friends. When they eventually "came out", no one cared. Well no one I knew of anyway. Sure some people made a stink about it, but in the end they changed nothing except my perception of them. Out of three of them I can think of immediately, I'm still good friends with two.

In my opinion, this policy changes nothing at all. You're a fool if you think they're not in the organization already.

Something to chew on:
Homophobia: the fear that gay men will treat you the same way that you treat women.

lol I've never heard that before.

I do wonder now though, what's the justification for separating boys and girls b/c of their sexual implications(Enabler)
but not separate homosexual boys and girls b/c of their sexual implications?

Is it not the same sexual implications for both? :confused:

A Coworker today said that he thought it would be like a Gay Dudes Gold Mine to be surrounded by those who he is sexually attracted to lol

I'm not sure about that but it is an interesting/intriguing thought.

Hitman · May 23, 2013

oleheat said:
I have to admit I don't know much about the BSA, as I never was one (I never felt the need to join; it would've clashed with the outdoor hobbies I was already doing, anyway).

What is the typical age a kid joins the scouts, anyway?

Well they have Cub Scouts and then Boy Scouts. I think Boys starts around 10-12?

My brother and I were Cub Scouts until we realized that on the weekends we couldn't go hunting or fishing with Dad
b/c we had to go balance eggs on spoons and tie knots. So we bailed on that idea QUICK!
and got out of that :rofl:

oleheat · May 23, 2013

Hitman said:
Well they have Cub Scouts and then Boy Scouts. I think Boys starts around 10-12?

My brother and I were Cub Scouts until we realized that on the weekends we couldn't go hunting or fishing with Dad
b/c we had to go balance eggs on spoons and tie knots. So we bailed on that idea QUICK!
and got out of that

Yup. I was in the exact same boat. Dad was my scoutmaster every weekend.

That's what I was wondering, though......I shudder at the notion of an "openly gay" 10 year old. WTF is that, exactly?

To me, this seems to come close to encouraging that "orientation". That's a very impressionable age.....

I don't claim to be some kind of behavioral guru- but holy crap. :doh:

KvichakKing · May 23, 2013

Disappointing. I for one am weary of folks caving in on what the believe in for the sake of political correctness.

andimthejr · May 23, 2013

Hitman said:
Yep.

With some heavy outside pressure of course. Including businesses pulling their support/funding and facilities
from Local BSA Clubs unless they changed their policy on Open Homosexuals.

It's not like the initial pressure came from within but they voted on it, they could have squashed it and didn't.

The Freedom From Religion Foundation wins again and without even having to go to court.

whats the "straight" badge look like?

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