Transitioning from strong hand to weak hand???

bayougump · Oct 18, 2013

My fellow USPSA shooters, I wanted to know if their are any drills or techniques regarding transitioning to one's weak hand, especially after you draw the gun? Though weak hand shooting is a small percentage of shots in matches I know that mine could be faster and especially eats up precious time on classifiers. Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Gump :draw:

JBP55 · Oct 18, 2013

If you have the pistol in a two hand grip roll your dominant hand thumb away and place your non dominant thumb around the grip and shoot.

scooterj · Oct 18, 2013

Don't try to speed the transition too much. Concentrate on getting the grip you want/need. More time will be lost trying to shoot with a bad grip than getting a good one.

mahamoti · Oct 18, 2013

If you need to go straight from draw to weak hand, don't get a full high grip with your strong hand. Draw with your hand far enough down the grip that you can get your weak hand thumb webbing right into place.

scooterj · Oct 18, 2013

mahamoti said:
If you need to go straight from draw to weak hand, don't get a full high grip with your strong hand. Draw with your hand far enough down the grip that you can get your weak hand thumb webbing right into place.

While this works for some, I rather keep the draw the same. There's already enough to think about without concentrating on changing your index on the gun. Rember, if you miss the grab and drop it, it's a free trip to Dairy Queen!

JBP55 · Oct 18, 2013

mahamoti said:
If you need to go straight from draw to weak hand, don't get a full high grip with your strong hand. Draw with your hand far enough down the grip that you can get your weak hand thumb webbing right into place.

Drawing a pistol from the holster without a proper grip is not a good idea.

81HarleyRydr · Oct 19, 2013

JBP55 said:
Drawing a pistol from the holster without a proper grip is not a good idea.

exactly, remember its all about muscle memory and most importantly gun control, learning to do this on the range in competition is one thing bt if the need would arise in a sd situation, you could end up with a very bad day

scooterj · Oct 19, 2013

I'm pretty sure gump is concerned with competition situations. But you are correct about the muscle memory. Whether competition or real world, one will perform as he practices.

mahamoti · Oct 19, 2013

scooterj said:
While this works for some, I rather keep the draw the same. There's already enough to think about without concentrating on changing your index on the gun. Rember, if you miss the grab and drop it, it's a free trip to Dairy Queen!

It definitely works for me. It's more secure during the transition, in my hands, which is where you have the least control if you have to break your strong hand thumb to get it out of the way.

mahamoti · Oct 19, 2013

81HarleyRydr said:
exactly, remember its all about muscle memory and most importantly gun control, learning to do this on the range in competition is one thing bt if the need would arise in a sd situation, you could end up with a very bad day

This is for competition. In what "real life" situation would you want to transition from a working strong hand to weak hand, straight from holster, anyway?

JNieman · Oct 19, 2013

mahamoti said:
This is for competition. In what "real life" situation would you want to transition from a working strong hand to weak hand, straight from holster, anyway?

So in order to practice transitioning to weak hand, you should deliberately injure your strong hand first?

mahamoti · Oct 19, 2013

If your strong hand is down, how are you drawing with it to begin with?

JNieman · Oct 19, 2013

mahamoti said:
If your strong hand is down, how are you drawing with it to begin with?

The draw is separate from the transition.

You don't transition differently simply because you just drew the gun a second ago. Unless you're scooterj at a match, I guess.

JR1572 · Oct 19, 2013

I don't know if I'm out of line by saying this in this topic or not, but in regards to non gun golf situations you should be able to draw your handgun from it's holster with your weak hand. I can get mine out of my duty rig with my weak hand and trust me, I'm by no stretch of the imagination "thin".

As far as transitioning from on hand to another, it's as simple as changing hands. I really cannot think of any simpler way to break this down. Try it.

JR1572

scooterj · Oct 19, 2013

JNieman said:
The draw is separate from the transition.

You don't transition differently simply because you just drew the gun a second ago. Unless you're scooterj at a match, I guess.

You must have misunderstood what I wrote. I don't transition differently. Mahamoti does use a different draw when transitioning to weak hand. I'm a proponent of keeping things the same.

scooterj · Oct 19, 2013

JR, the rules do not allow drawing with the off-hand. It is a safety issue.

JR1572 · Oct 19, 2013

scooterj said:
JR, the rules do not allow drawing with the off-hand. It is a safety issue.

I'm not referring to the rules of playing games.

I'm saying if you're carrying a gun defensively, you should be able to draw your gun with your weak hand.

JR1572

JNieman · Oct 19, 2013

scooterj said:
You must have misunderstood what I wrote. I don't transition differently. Mahamoti does use a different draw when transitioning to weak hand. I'm a proponent of keeping things the same.

I did, I was reading a conversation in the quotes and mixed up names in my memory. My mistake.

I do agree with JR1572, though, but I believe the rule about off-hand drawing is in regards to the danger of breaking the 180 while doing it which is intolerable. That's my guess as to 'why' - but it would be good practice for offhand drawing. Oh well.

For reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCIKHOcGLPo

JR1572 · Oct 19, 2013

JNieman said:
I did, I was reading a conversation in the quotes and mixed up names in my memory. My mistake.

I do agree with JR1572, though, but I believe the rule about off-hand drawing is in regards to the danger of breaking the 180 while doing it which is intolerable. That's my guess as to 'why' - but it would be good practice for offhand drawing. Oh well.

Oh goodness. If I get injured and my right arm is rendered useless, and I need to deploy a handgun, at that point in not really worrying about the 180...

JR1572

JNieman · Oct 19, 2013

JR1572 said:
Oh goodness. If I get injured and my right arm is rendered useless, and I need to deploy a handgun, at that point in not really worrying about the 180...

JR1572

No disagreement here. There is no 180 off the range. But there's not exactly any sort of entrance exam for most any local club running a USPSA/IDPA/IPSC match that I'd heard of. So when you have any random gun owner jack coming up - sees someone else doing something and looking fast and cool, if he goes to try it... I'm just pulling that situation out of my ass, tbh, however it is a large organization who probably has their own level of liability to concern themselves with. Besides, it's just gun golf. It shouldn't be mixed up with real-world strategies 100%, and I don't think anyone that takes gun golf seriously as a sport has a problem with that. (hopefully)

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