how many people you know of that dipping tobaco caused gum disease tooth loss? cancer

sloppy joe · Jul 28, 2014

i don't know any personally. if you do know someone, give details like how many years did they dip, how much did they dip? brand?

i really enjoy it. a can of redseal last me 3 days.

smoking, i know many people who died from it.

sandman7925 · Jul 28, 2014

I know of 1 person that dipped and died from throat cancer. Don't know how much he used or how long his habit lasted.

I have been dipping a can a day for 12 years and as of today am 2 weeks clean of it. Went and bought a vapor smoker and haven't looked back. In another 2 weeks will be down to vapor with no nicotine content.

Judge Mental · Jul 28, 2014

Super glad to hear it. Oral cancer is the real deal, aggressive. My mother was diagnosed at 31, gone at 32 (cigarettes). But throat, esophagus, stomach, colon, lymphatic, salivary, etc are all relatable to dip/chew in addition to cigars/cigarettes.

Jack · Jul 28, 2014

sloppy joe said:
i don't know any personally. if you do know someone, give details like how many years did they dip, how much did they dip? brand?

i really enjoy it. a can of redseal last me 3 days.

smoking, i know many people who died from it.

A lot less people dip than smoke. I certainly wouldn't choose dipping over smoking if the aim was to be healthier.

LCPL 4 · Jul 28, 2014

Tony Gwynn passed away last month. Started dipping in the early 80"s and cancer didn't show up till the late 90's. He blamed it on the habit. Avg. male American life expectancy is around 80 years now. He died at 54. Another 20 to 30 years he missed out on. I got to watch him play a couple of games through the ASYMCA back in the early 90's in San Diego. I was there being treated for Hodgkin's Lymphoma. I think mine was caused by excessive alcohol use but can't prove it. Navy's Doc's at Balboa put me in remission and next month I'll have 20 EXTRA years on this earth. Trust me, none of that momentary dip-**** is worth 20+ years.

JBP55 · Jul 28, 2014

In my family two brothers and one first cousin developed cancer from tobacco products. It gets ugly when parts of your mouth, tongue, cheek and esophagus are removed.

Nomad.2nd · Jul 28, 2014

I've met a few... don't have the stats you're asking for... all well over 10 years IIRC.

noob · Jul 28, 2014

I've also met a few, but I'm in the health care field so I see a lot of people with cancer etc...

rcm192 · Jul 28, 2014

I dont know anyone personally. I dip mint skoal xtra once a day during the week at work. Occasionally on weekends.

1911Dave · Jul 28, 2014

I work in the health care field. See it too much. Oral cancer is one of the worst things to physically see a person go through. I have seen jaws, tongues, etc removed and its not pretty.

Mojo Rider · Jul 28, 2014

http://www.outdoortexan.com/mycancer.htm

charlie12 · Jul 28, 2014

My friends brother is starting 40 something chemo treatments this week for throat cancer. He's a dipper

RedStickChick · Jul 28, 2014

I know 4 or 5.

All military and/or LEO.

Pretty bad, scary stuff.

Hitman · Jul 29, 2014

I've seen this (sort of) new argument going around that
getting cancer has more to do with genetics than to do with
a person's habits.

While I think there are people out there that drink/smoke until their 80
they are the rare breed, if they even exist.
Most times people use that phrase, but they never really know of someone like it.
"Oh my grandpa drank Old Charter and smoked Lucky Strikes until he was 93.
Worked at the Coal Mine too, didn't wear a mask...or shoes....etc...etc...

But it's pretty obvious that inhaling toxic smoke
into your sensitive lungs is bad Mkay?
...and absorbing carcinogens through the pores in your mouth
isn't exactly a healthy habit either.

Anyway the Cancer.org/gov. has lots of stats to look at(For Smoking)

-Tobacco use is the leading cause of preventable illness and death in the United States.
-Cigarette smoking causes an estimated 443,000 deaths each year,
(including approximately 49,000 deaths due to exposure to secondhand smoke).
-Lung cancer is the leading cause of cancer death among both men and women in the United States,
and 90 percent of lung cancer deaths among men
and approximately 80 percent of lung cancer deaths among women are due to smoking.
-Smoking causes many other types of cancer, including cancers of the throat, mouth,
nasal cavity, esophagus, stomach, pancreas, kidney, bladder, and cervix, and acute myeloid leukemia.
-People who smoke are up to six times more likely to suffer a heart attack than nonsmokers,
and the risk increases with the number of cigarettes smoked.
Smoking also causes most cases of chronic lung disease.

But when it comes to Smokeless Tobacco......new studies are challenging
the status quo on just what the risk of cancer is from Smokeless Tobacco.

See Below;
Cancer Risks from Smokeless Tobacco Use: Next To Nil

What If All Smokers Had Used Smokeless Instead?
Lee and Hamling also calculated how smokeless tobacco use might have changed cancer deaths among American men.
In 2005, 142,205 men in the U.S. died from the 7 cancers associated with smoking.
If no American men had ever smoked, there would have been only 37,468 cancer deaths,
so 104,737 were directly attributable to smoking.
Using the RRs above, Lee and Hamling calculated the number of cancer deaths that would have occurred
if all smokers had instead used smokeless tobacco.
The number attributable to smokeless tobacco would have been 1,102,
which is only 1.1% of the deaths currently attributable to smoking. Source

Effects of Smokeless Tobacco Products Overblown

Much of the available data on smokeless tobacco comes from Sweden.
There, men gradually have cut down on smoking and increased their use of snus,
a form of moist snuff that doesn't require spitting, in a shift that began in the 1970s.
Lung-cancer deaths among Swedish men peaked in 1978; since then,
the death rate has declined to the lowest in the European Union. Source

Little Cancer Risk With 'Chew'

The meta-analysis of North American and Scandinavian research
did find a 36% increased risk of oropharyngeal cancer and a 29% increased risk of prostate cancer.

However, the risk of oropharyngeal cancer disappeared in studies published after 1990
and in the Scandinavian research, Peter Lee and Jan Hamling of PN Lee Statistics
and Computing reported online in BMC Medicine.

"Any effect of smokeless tobacco on risk of cancer, if it exists at all,
is quantitatively very much smaller than the known effects of smoking,"

Click to expand...

Lee concluded. Source

I'll say though, and backed by Science,
Dipping was WAY HARDER to Quit than Smoking. :zombie:

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Devilneck · Jul 29, 2014

I chewed, not worm dirt, the real leaves. Also smoked the weekly cigar. I quit all around by switching to the ecigs. Now, I don't even smoke that much.

I do consume a great deal more coffee though.

4x4demon · Jul 29, 2014

I quit smoking and picked up dipping 7 years ago, because I didn't want, thats the key word WANT, to quit but my newborn son was having severe allergic respiratory reactions and smelling like smoke wasn't helping him. I never smoked around him or in the house, just gonna throw that out there. Working in healthcare I see bus loads of smokers get cancer, but very few dippers. I had a professor in college that had part of his jaw removed from dipping, but the way I understood it was that he kept a dip in constantly. I dip about a can a day normally in 4-5 big dips instead of several little pinches. I've always thought the risk of smoking was all the other stuff they add to the tobacco, not the tobacco itself.

Hitman · Jul 29, 2014

4x4demon said:
I've always thought the risk of smoking was all the other stuff they add to the tobacco, not the tobacco itself.

Well inhaling smoke into the deepest parts of your lungs
is bad. Inhaling anything burnt is already putting carcinogens
into your blood though your lungs. The lungs aren't the stomach.
They're not equipped to deal with harsh things like that.
So, on top of inhaling smoke(burning tobacco which contains it's own carcinogens),
you're also inhaling the supposed 600 additives(around 4,000 different chemicals)
in cigarettes as well.

So it's a little of both.
http://www.livescience.com/3093-smoking-myths-examined.html

But Home Grown may even be worse for you;
http://www.livescience.com/7914-warning-homegrown-tobacco-deadly.html

Smokeless Tobacco is no exception either.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120402093140.htm

:dunno:

4x4demon · Jul 29, 2014

I've tried the snus stuff. I use it when I'm bow hunting to keep from spitting on the ground or moving to spit in a bottle. Packs right in your upper lip and you're good to go. If it's good enough for Sweden, it's good enough for me. I have a buddy that swapped entirely to snus also.

Hitman · Jul 29, 2014

Man I Googled Snus and this image popped up :zombie:

4x4demon · Jul 29, 2014

Her teeth are fine, the tobacco does drip down and create a temporary stain on them. After having it in for more than 10 minutes it's un-noticeable

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