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    BayouBandit

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    So I was eating lunch in Osaka in Lake Charles a few weeks back (on a Saturday) with a fellow firearms instructor when I was approached by a sheriffs deputy. I was open carrying as I usually do when I am trying to advertise firearms training to people. The sheriffs deputy had been sitting at the bar across the restaurant when we walked in and he continued to watch us for 20 minutes while we started eating. After a little while he disappeared outside for about 10 minutes, then re-entered and approached the 2 of us from behind. I never saw him return, I only noticed when he barked out, "Are you law enforcement?". In which I responded by saying no. Immediately, he drew his firearm on me and escorted me out to the front of the restaurant. I pulled my cell phone out and recorded the entire conversation, which Im pretty sure is the only thing that kept me from being arrested. I attempted to explain the change in the law to him that allows for open or concealed carry in an alcohol serving restaurant if you are in possession of a concealed carry permit but he would not listen. I complied with his demands to put my firearm away in the truck and returned to finish eating my sushi. Upon leaving the restaurant I made an appointment with Internal Affairs. They were of no help in the matter. When I met with them it seemed like they knew less about the law than the deputy. After being ran out of their office I had to contact the head of the Louisiana Legislative team and was able to get in contact with the guy who just happened to write and lobby the law. We ended up having to have the DA's office interpret the law. It ended up being upheld and it was found that I had done nothing wrong. According to the Louisiana Legislative team, this was one of the first incidents that have happened since the new law was passed. I have no intention of reprimanding the deputy or any intentions of the sort. The only motive I have for writing this is to inform others of the change to the law. The DA assured me that all of the law enforcement agencies in the parish would be notified of the change to the law. There were lots of different variables that happened here that shouldn't have, but I'm hoping my story will help to educate others. If someone has a link to the updated law, can you please post it?
     
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    pulpsmack

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    So I was eating lunch in Osaka in Lake Charles a few weeks back (on a Saturday) with a fellow firearms instructor when I was approached by a sheriffs deputy. I was open carrying as I usually do when I am trying to advertise firearms training to people. The sheriffs deputy had been sitting at the bar across the restaurant when we walked in and he continued to watch us for 20 minutes while we started eating. After a little while he disappeared outside for about 10 minutes, then re-entered and approached the 2 of us from behind. I never saw him return, I only noticed when he barked out, "Are you law enforcement?". In which I responded by saying no. Immediately, he drew his firearm on me and escorted me out to the front of the restaurant. I pulled my cell phone out and recorded the entire conversation, which Im pretty sure is the only thing that kept me from being arrested. I attempted to explain the change in the law to him that allows for open or concealed carry in an alcohol serving restaurant if you are in possession of a concealed carry permit but he would not listen. I complied with his demands to put my firearm away in the truck and returned to finish eating my sushi. Upon leaving the restaurant I made an appointment with Internal Affairs. They were of no help in the matter. When I met with them it seemed like they knew less about the law than the deputy. After being ran out of their office I had to contact the head of the Louisiana Legislative team and was able to get in contact with the guy who just happened to write and lobby the law. We ended up having to have the DA's office interpret the law. It ended up being upheld and it was found that I had done nothing wrong. According to the Louisiana Legislative team, this was one of the first incidents that have happened since the new law was passed. I have no intention of reprimanding the deputy or any intentions of the sort. The only motive I have for writing this is to inform others of the change to the law. The DA assured me that all of the law enforcement agencies in the parish would be notified of the change to the law. There were lots of different variables that happened here that shouldn't have, but I'm hoping my story will help to educate others. If someone has a link to the updated law, can you please post it?


    LOL,

    Wut?


    A. you HAD every intention of reprimanding the Deputy as evidenced by your contacting IAB/DIA, so your revised motives are false.

    B. What is wrong with your initial motivation (clearing your name/clarifying the law AND hauling the Deputy's ass in a sling for drawing on you in a restaurant)?
     

    JBP55

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    Let me see if I got this right?

    1. You have a LA. CHP.
    2. You are a firearms instructor.
    3. You advertise your business by open carry.
    4. You record the LEO and contact IA.

    If this is correct you may want to consider your actions before educating others.
     

    charlie12

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    Let me see if I got this right?

    1. You have a LA. CHP.
    2. You are a firearms instructor.
    3. You advertise your business by open carry.
    4. You record the LEO and contact IA.

    If this is correct you may want to consider your actions before educating others.

    :)
     

    3fifty7

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    When is refuse to be a victim class gonna be offered again?
    I'm sure we can fill it!

    Oh and welcome.
     
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    JBP55

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    Everything that I did was within the law. I was the victim to an officer of the law that was wrong. And by the way you may consider being more friendly to someone that just joined the post 5 minutes ago.

    I am a friendly person and trying to help you and I am sure we would get along fine in person. I think I am being polite compared to what some on here would tell you.
    Are you aware a LEO can fill out a form 4646 and you MAY lose your CHP and never teach firearms classes again in LA?
     

    sphill

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    if everything being stated here is correct, why would you not reprimand the officer? He is employed to enforce laws. If he doesn't know what the laws are, then he shouldn't be enforcing any. His actions were not well thought out and he should've been 100% certain he was correct before he drew his gun on you.

    Either your story is missing pieces or being blown out of proportion. Who am I though? That's just my opinion.
     

    JR1572

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    So I was eating lunch in Osaka in Lake Charles a few weeks back (on a Saturday) with a fellow firearms instructor when I was approached by a sheriffs deputy. I was open carrying as I usually do when I am trying to advertise firearms training to people. The sheriffs deputy had been sitting at the bar across the restaurant when we walked in and he continued to watch us for 20 minutes while we started eating. After a little while he disappeared outside for about 10 minutes, then re-entered and approached the 2 of us from behind. I never saw him return, I only noticed when he barked out, "Are you law enforcement?". In which I responded by saying no. Immediately, he drew his firearm on me and escorted me out to the front of the restaurant. I pulled my cell phone out and recorded the entire conversation, which Im pretty sure is the only thing that kept me from being arrested. I attempted to explain the change in the law to him that allows for open or concealed carry in an alcohol serving restaurant if you are in possession of a concealed carry permit but he would not listen. I complied with his demands to put my firearm away in the truck and returned to finish eating my sushi. Upon leaving the restaurant I made an appointment with Internal Affairs. They were of no help in the matter. When I met with them it seemed like they knew less about the law than the deputy. After being ran out of their office I had to contact the head of the Louisiana Legislative team and was able to get in contact with the guy who just happened to write and lobby the law. We ended up having to have the DA's office interpret the law. It ended up being upheld and it was found that I had done nothing wrong. According to the Louisiana Legislative team, this was one of the first incidents that have happened since the new law was passed. I have no intention of reprimanding the deputy or any intentions of the sort. The only motive I have for writing this is to inform others of the change to the law. The DA assured me that all of the law enforcement agencies in the parish would be notified of the change to the law. There were lots of different variables that happened here that shouldn't have, but I'm hoping my story will help to educate others. If someone has a link to the updated law, can you please post it?

    I cannot make heads or tails of this.

    JR1572
     

    JR1572

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    As a firearms instructor I feel it is my duty to make sure that our rights are kept and maintained instead of being stepped on.

    Is that one of your responsibilities mandated by the body that appointed you as an instructor for LA CHP?

    That almost sounds like something an activist or someone who desperately needs attention to drum up some business to fill classes.

    JR1572
     
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    JBP55

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    Explain what you mean. Did you not read the post? I met with the DA on this matter. I was completely in the right. Explain to me what you are talking about.

    I never said you broke any law and there are many threads on BS about open carry and the issues it causes legal or not. I do not think anything will happen relative to your encounter with the LEO.
    Since very few are aware that a LEO can send in paperwork to LSP and ask for a CHP to be revoked I thought you as an instructor should be aware of this prior to your next encounter with a LEO.
    Thank You for Your Service!
     
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