CZ Scorpion SBR

rcm192 · May 21, 2015

Anyone get into one yet? Ill be dumping more money into the one I have in layaway as soon as I get it out. Then itll go back to jail, nfa jail. Anyway I came across this....seems like a nice choice for a stock as this platform could identify as some what of a modern MP5, IMO.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/05/06/manticore-arms-cz-scorpion-rifle-kit/

What do you guys think?

bsoileau24 · May 22, 2015

I love the idea of it not sure if I would do it. Now if i had a pistol can then it would be my next project.

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US Infidel · May 22, 2015

I've been trying to tell myself to get one, but already having a G17 SBRed, I can't YET justify it to myself. If I SBR another pistol caliber, I think I want it to use Glock mags.

JCcypress · May 22, 2015

rcm192 said:
Anyone get into one yet? Ill be dumping more money into the one I have in layaway as soon as I get it out. Then itll go back to jail, nfa jail. Anyway I came across this....seems like a nice choice for a stock as this platform could identify as some what of a modern MP5, IMO.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/05/06/manticore-arms-cz-scorpion-rifle-kit/

What do you guys think?

Neat idea, but it doesn't look very comfortable. I'd think I'd prefer either a side folder, an AR-style telescoping, or a fixed stock.

rcm192 · May 22, 2015

US Infidel said:
I've been trying to tell myself to get one, but already having a G17 SBRed, I can't YET justify it to myself. If I SBR another pistol caliber, I think I want it to use Glock mags.

We have a TNW firearms pistol that takes glock mags thats about to go out for sale.

Crimson · May 22, 2015

I really can't decide whether I want a scorpion or if I want to build a 9mm with a qc10 lower

jjoker16 · May 22, 2015

Crimson said:
I really can't decide whether I want a scorpion or if I want to build a 9mm with a qc10 lower

I have been debating the same thing and given they are about the same price, I like the idea of SBRing a qc10. I think it is more versatile. And using glock mags is a big plus for me.

But I think either would be fun.

Crimson · May 22, 2015

jjoker16 said:
I have been debating the same thing and given they are about the same price, I like the idea of SBRing a qc10. I think it is more versatile. And using glock mags is a big plus for me.

But I think either would be fun.

Glock mags, and the ability to change the caliber are two major factors. But I really like how compact it would be with a 5 inch barrel and a mvg arc stock. Plus the qc10 will be easier to suppress from what I've read the cz doesn't quite offer enough room requires a spacer. No first hand experience with that just going by other forums.

jjoker16 · May 22, 2015

Yeah. As cool as the cz is if I can only have one ill take the qc10. Truth is, on a long enough timeline, we'll probably end up with both.

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Crimson · May 22, 2015

jjoker16 said:
Yeah. As cool as the cz is if I can only have one ill take the qc10. Truth is, on a long enough timeline, we'll probably end up with both.

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Probably I thought two suppressors would be enough. I couldn't stand not having something pending though so I bought three more... The pending stamps hold me over if you buy one a month the wait isn't that bad because you get something new approved every month

jjoker16 · May 22, 2015

Hahahaha...it is addicting. Just got 2 SBRs out of jail and expecting 2 cans any week now.

Trying to decide what to get in line next....qc10 -OR- TBAC Ultra 9 maybe 7. Decisions decisions.

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NOShooter · May 23, 2015

I thought about a scorpion. I currently have a POF MP%K waiting on a stamp. I also have a 9mm Tavor and am waiting on the stamp for my Ratworx tavor Can.

The tavor w/ ratworx can is actually shorter than the mp5k with an octane attached using a 3 lug adaptor.

I dont really think that I need a 3rd sub gun ( until the LWRC .45 acp one comes out in dec/jan. :-)

I know the scorpian is cheaper than the tavor and the mp5K, but after shooting one, I didnt want one.

I really want a tbac ultra 9 for my 300winmag. I'm just nervous to have the barrel threaded. The gun is shooting 1/2 MOA and I'd be really pissed if threading the barrel cost me accuracy.

jjoker16 · May 23, 2015

Yes sir those TBAC ultras are lookin awesome.

Just curious, why the 9 over 7. Besides the obvious answer. Your only gaining 2 dbs for 2 inches. 1inch:1db ratio dosent seem worth it.

I ask not to criticize, but to see if I am missing something. I myself have been having the 9 or 7 debate for some time.

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NOShooter · May 23, 2015

jjoker16 said:
Yes sir those TBAC ultras are lookin awesome.

Just curious, why the 9 over 7. Besides the obvious answer. Your only gaining 2 dbs for 2 inches. 1inch:1db ratio dosent seem worth it.

I ask not to criticize, but to see if I am missing something. I myself have been having the 9 or 7 debate for some time.

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2db at that decibel reading is significant enough to notice. my .300 winmag is already heavy and long, and it used for target and stationary shooting. The extra 2 inches from a spacial perspective dont both me.

your graph is for .308. I'd venture a guess that it is 3db or more differential for 300wm.

I tend to go quiet over compact when it comes to rifle suppressors. my one exception is the Ratworx 9mm integral can for my tavor.

jjoker16 · May 23, 2015

Good points. Differnt tools for different jobs. I guess thats why they have 3 sizes.

And certainly a 9 sounds much betyer suited for your application.

I too prefer quiet over size myself but 9 inches is a serious can.

I had my mind made up and was good with the 7 and now im back to being as undecided as ever...lol

Wish i could go shoot em first.

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NOShooter · May 24, 2015

jjoker16 said:
Good points. Differnt tools for different jobs. I guess thats why they have 3 sizes.

And certainly a 9 sounds much betyer suited for your application.

I too prefer quiet over size myself but 9 inches is a serious can.

I had my mind made up and was good with the 7 and now im back to being as undecided as ever...lol

Wish i could go shoot em first.

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Depending on your use case i guess.

My 16.5" Remmy 700 .308 w/ a specwar 7.62 is SCARY quiet with Subs. The specwar is a 9" can. I use it for Hog hunting. It is DNZ @ 100 with subs and DNZ @ 300 with Supers without touching a dial or Knob. POI shift is negligible when using the Specwar. I'd imagine the tbac is better and lighter.

jjoker16 · May 24, 2015

Always heard good things about the specwar. Im expecting a saker 762 week now. Hope its as nice.

I know I can use the saker on my 308 but id rather have a direct thread TBAC. Gonna use the saker for a blkout sbr.
Ill see how it performs on the 700 though.

And I always knew the specwar was long but didnt realize it was 9".
What is your POI shift with your specwar at 300yds? And is it direct thread?

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NOShooter · May 24, 2015

jjoker16 said:
Always heard good things about the specwar. Im expecting a saker 762 week now. Hope its as nice.

I know I can use the saker on my 308 but id rather have a direct thread TBAC. Gonna use the saker for a blkout sbr.
Ill see how it performs on the 700 though.

And I always knew the specwar was long but didnt realize it was 9".
What is your POI shift with your specwar at 300yds? And is it direct thread?

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With supers, about 1/2" on my remmy 700 @ 300 yds.

.308 subs at 300 is quite the rainbow shot, so i don't think it really matters. I load my subs to 990 fps, so it's approximately a 5.5' drop.

Its a QD mount muzzle brake.

jjoker16 · May 24, 2015

Wow...that is much better than I would expect.

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fng · May 27, 2015

Crimson said:
Probably I thought two suppressors would be enough. I couldn't stand not having something pending though so I bought three more... The pending stamps hold me over if you buy one a month the wait isn't that bad because you get something new approved every month

dude..i thought it was just me. I may just change my name to Pending.

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