POTUS reveals new executive order...ALERT!

Sig220 · Jul 29, 2016

This executive order seemed timed to fly under the radar.

I have not heard of any organized opposition to it as of yet.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/28/j...ration-releases-latest-executive-gun-control/

If left to stand, it will make our hobby very precarious in a legal arena.

John_ · Jul 29, 2016

"For example, DDTC generally labels procedures that involve cutting, drilling, or machining of an existing firearm in order to improve its accuracy or operation or to change its caliber as *manufacturing,* even if they do not create a new and distinct firearm. This includes threading a muzzle for a muzzle brake or blueprinting that requires machining of a barrel."

The AECA/ITAR require anybody who engages in the business of *manufacturing* a defense article to register with DDTC and pay a registration fee that for new applicants is currently $2,250 per year.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/28/j...s-latest-executive-gun-control/#ixzz4FoxEI2Qg

We can thank Obama and Hitlery.

bigtattoo79 · Jul 29, 2016

Try not to stress it's only gonna get worse "just relax and take it quietly".

DAVE_M · Jul 29, 2016

So do all the "stipplers" need to be manufacturers now?

machinedrummer · Jul 29, 2016

Reloading is next.

TheMole68 · Jul 29, 2016

Every gun shop in the country should throw some money into a kitty and hire Alan Gura or Ted Cruz to sue the .gov for this.

AustinBR · Jul 29, 2016

Sounds like a new law to me. I don't believe the president can make laws. Just Congress. Sounds like a load of fluff in my opinion.

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GunRelated · Jul 29, 2016

And how exactly would this be enforced?

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CG&L · Jul 29, 2016

What the DDTC is doing is flat out lying

They state
DDTC generally labels procedures that involve cutting, drilling, or machining of an existing firearm in order to improve its accuracy or operation or to change its caliber as *manufacturing,

Threading for a muzzle brake is included when a muzzle brake does nothing but reduce recoil while increasing the noise level

They claim any kind of cutting is 'manufacturing'
Cutting a dovetail for a sight would be 'cutting' and therefore 'manufacturing'.

machinedrummer is right. Reloading will be prohibited, buying a stripped AR receiver will be prohibited, buying parts in general will be prohibited, etc...

John_ · Jul 29, 2016

AustinBR said:
Sounds like a new law to me. I don't believe the president can make laws. Just Congress. Sounds like a load of fluff in my opinion.

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Austin, this is the Obama administration we're talking about. The same guy who wants to give 12 million illegal aliens in America a free pass to citizenship. Never mind they are federal law breakers.......

Or do you know why the banking industry is not involved with the marijuana businesses or their cash whatsoever in Colorado and Washington? Because marijuana usage and sales is a violation of current federal law. Law that Obama swore to uphold twice while being sworn in as our POTUS.
So how does Obama and his administration determine just which laws they will enforce, and which to circumvent?

Ya think its going to be any better with Clinton as POTUS?

Spleen · Jul 29, 2016

Looks like Form 1 silencers just got effectively banned if I am reading this correctly.
Any of our (actual) lawyers on here want to offer their interpretation?
I hope to be persuaded I am incorrect.

shrxfn · Jul 29, 2016

Wow what a way to go around the legal process. Should get some lawyers involved this can't be constitutional.

Only gonna get worse if Hilary gets into office.

John_ · Jul 29, 2016

Spleen said:
Looks like Form 1 silencers just got effectively banned if I am reading this correctly.
Any of our (actual) lawyers on here want to offer their interpretation?
I hope to be persuaded I am incorrect.

I sure hope ur wrong, because I have the parts to build a can on a form 1 soon. Maybe sooner than I wanted to.....and i'm not paying another $2250 to do so.

Spleen · Jul 29, 2016

John_ said:
I sure hope ur wrong, because I have the parts to build a can on a form 1 soon. Maybe sooner than I wanted to.....and i'm not paying another $2250 to do so.

I hope I am wrong as well.
If correct, they will likely grandfather approved Form 1 holders who had it prior to the ruling.

John_ · Jul 29, 2016

"Moreover, under ITAR, *only one occasion of manufacturing … a defense article* is necessary for a commercial entity to be considered *engaged in the business* and therefore subject to the regime’s requirements."

I don't know...am I considered a commercial entity if I manufacture a can for myself under the form 1 tax stamp and approval?

How can Obama under executive order create new law? I thought that process originated and emanated from the representation branch of fed government....ie the House and Senate.

Spleen · Jul 29, 2016

Don't think it is an executive order, just a reinterpretation of existing statute by the agency tasked with enforcing it.
I looked at the white house page listing all executive orders and nothing like this is listed as of an hour ago.

Spleen · Jul 29, 2016

Here is the link to the actual reinterpretation:

http://pmddtc.state.gov/compliance/...ement to Firearms Manufacturers (Publish).pdf

And here's the link to the white house executive order listings:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/executive-orders

You will see nothing about this rule change under executive orders.
Looks like a backdoor kind of deal to me.

sandman7925 · Jul 29, 2016

Interesting. According to that if a gunsmith simply threads a barrel to install a muzzle brake they need to register with the DDTC.

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John_ · Jul 29, 2016

"executive fiat" they call it. Sounds like Obama couldn't get Congress to go along with his gun control agenda, so he's whipping up some POTUS directives.

http://dailysignal.com/2016/01/05/obamas-executive-fiat-on-gun-control/

CG&L · Jul 29, 2016

This new ruling is not an EO

It's from the Directorate of Defense Trade Control (DDTC)

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