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Thread: Removing the Bircage Flash Hider on Colt 6920? Replace with??

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    US Veteran dfsutton's Avatar

    Removing the Bircage Flash Hider on Colt 6920? Replace with??

    Hi all

    I'm not too pleased with the Birdcage Flash Hider on my Colt 6920 as it doesn't do a great job or reducing muzzle climb.

    To compare, The Factory flash hider/brake on my Springfield M1A Scout Squad almost completely eliminates muzzle climb and while recoil is strong, it is straight back into the shooter even though it's the larger .308/7.62 round out of an 18" barrel. This is much better for my tastes and I am actually quicker on follow-up shots with my M1A than my AR.

    What I'm really interested in knowing is if the Flash hider is permanently attached on a 6920 and will require gunsmithing to remove?

    I'm also interested in knowing what flash supressors/muzzle brakes would be able to direct recoil back into me more, rather than causing my muzzle to climb?

    All help is appreciated.
    Last edited by dfsutton; June 23rd, 2009 at 12:26 PM.
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    Mag Whore

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfsutton View Post
    Hi all

    I'm not too pleased with the Birdcage Flash Hider on my Colt 6920 as it doesn't do a great job or reducing muzzle climb.

    To compare, The Factory flash hider/brake on my Springfield M1A Scout Squad almost completely eliminates muzzle climb and while recoil is strong, it is straight back into the shooter even though it's the larger .308/7.62 round out of an 18" barrel. This is much better for my tastes and I am actually quicker on follow-up shots with my M1A than my AR.

    What I'm really interested in knowing is if the Flash hider is permanently attached on a 6920 and will require gunsmithing?

    I'm also interested in knowing what flash supressors/muzzle brakes would be able to direct recoil back into me more, rather than causing my muzzle to climb?

    All help is appreciated.
    It is a flash suppressor, it is not designed to reduce muzzle climb at all. The A2 flash suppressor on the 6950 should just unscrew with a 3/4" wrench. I would NOT try and use a crescent wrench, or you will bugger up the flats of the suppressor.

    A couple members here have the "DNTC" brake, and say it helps with muzzle rise, but they are LOUD. There is even an A2 muzzle brake, that looks similar to the factory one, but is different internally to direct the muzzle blast, but it will also not reduce your muzzle flash at night.

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    Marksman
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    You could try a Miculek Comp, they work very good on the muzzel climb part but they are very lound. Any comp you get will be very loud, just so you know.

    Beauxdog

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    Marksman
    Your AR has high recoil?



    Yea it will make it loud as hell, no one will want to use the lane next to you at the range.

    I personally think the Flash Hider is more useful.
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    US Veteran dfsutton's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Born4spd View Post
    Your AR has high recoil?



    Yea it will make it loud as hell, no one will want to use the lane next to you at the range.

    I personally think the Flash Hider is more useful.
    Stop it guys!

    Seriously though. I'm not looking to reduce recoil. I just want to redirect it back into my shoulder rather than up pushing my muzzle off target.

    The AR recoil isn't much, unfortunately it's just not in the best direction.

    You all get what I'm saying?
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    Marksman
    Quote Originally Posted by dfsutton View Post
    Stop it guys!

    Seriously though. I'm not looking to reduce recoil. I just want to redirect it back into my shoulder rather than up pushing my muzzle off target.

    The AR recoil isn't much, unfortunately it's just not in the best direction.

    You all get what I'm saying?
    Yea i hear ya, i was just poking.
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    US Veteran dfsutton's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Born4spd View Post
    Yea i hear ya, i was just poking.
    Completely understandable. I figured I was gonna get flamed at worst and at best some light-hearted ribbing for posting this.

    Anyone have any experience with the FSC556? Supposed to be a version of the DNTC that also reduces the flash.

    http://www.primaryweapons.com/STORE/...y=&idproduct=9
    Last edited by dfsutton; June 23rd, 2009 at 02:34 PM.
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    my fingers for warfare" -- Psalms 144:1 ✡

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    Quote Originally Posted by beauxdog View Post
    You could try a Miculek Comp, they work very good on the muzzel climb part but they are very lound. Any comp you get will be very loud, just so you know.

    Beauxdog
    I like the Miculek comp as well...loud? Maybe, but I wear both ear plugs and muffs so you'll have to ask the guys around me. Better speak up, 'cause their ears are still ringing

    Seriously, the Miculek is very effective and much less expensive than its competitors.
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    woah woah woah.....what recoil? what muzzle climb?
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    Marksman
    ^ lol here we go.
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    US Veteran dfsutton's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Willson View Post
    woah woah woah.....what recoil? what muzzle climb?
    Shoot your AR, then Shoot my M1A.

    Once you do it, you'll be sick to your stomach that my 18" .308 has significantly less muzzle climb than your .223 16".
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    Marksman
    I vote to sell the poodle shooter and use it to buy spare parts and more ammo for the M1A
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    US Veteran dfsutton's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Born4spd View Post
    I vote to sell the poodle shooter and use it to buy spare parts and more ammo for the M1A


    But then i would just want to buy another AR and complain how the muzzle rise is worse than my M1A.
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    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

    "Blessed is the LORD, my rock,
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    my fingers for warfare" -- Psalms 144:1 ✡

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    0-60 in 5.11 Narco's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by dfsutton View Post
    Completely understandable. I figured I was gonna get flamed at worst and at best some light-hearted ribbing for posting this.

    Anyone have any experience with the FSC556? Supposed to be a version of the DNTC that also reduces the flash.

    http://www.primaryweapons.com/STORE/...y=&idproduct=9
    I have the Rainer arms version of that called the DNTC Aggressive. There is no literally no movement but shooters on the side will run from you...

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    US Veteran dfsutton's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Narco View Post
    I have the Rainer arms version of that called the DNTC Aggressive. There is no literally no movement but shooters on the side will run from you...
    Sound doesn't bother me. I use good muffs and I shoot at Honey Island.

    What about the muzzle flash for night shooting?

    http://www.primaryweapons.com/UserFi...FSC556_web.wmv

    Here is a video showing the original DNTC and the FSC. If the compensation is near equal, it looks like the FSC would be far superior.
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    "No one is more hopelessly enslaved, than the person who falsely believes he is free."
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    "Blessed is the LORD, my rock,
    who trains my hands for battle,
    my fingers for warfare" -- Psalms 144:1 ✡

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    Stupid is 'posed to hurt scooterj's Avatar
    If noise doesn't bother you, take a look at the JP Recoil Eliminator. Nothing better on the market. It's kinda spendy though.
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    Don't Tread on Me WHEELER's Avatar
    I was on the range once and the guy in the next lane was shooting a 16" AR w/ a 74 brake, fawk that was loud

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    I SPEAK DA THUGG!1! Quickdraw22's Avatar
    I'm trying to take the one off of my rifle to switch with a compensator I picked up for cheap, but I feel like I'm about to snap the barrel off!! It doesn't want to budge.

    Any tips/tricks I should know about?? This is a right hand threaded barrel, correct?? Would sticking this in a padded vise be safe, or would it damage the receiver?

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    Mag Whore

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    Dave,
    sit down in a chair, and place the buttstock between your feet, and close your knees together on the handguards tightly. Works fine for me, no need for the vise. Yes, it's standard RH threads, but might require a little effort to get the FH broken loose. Are you sure it's not pinned, as a post ban upper may be?

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    I SPEAK DA THUGG!1! Quickdraw22's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Richard in LA View Post
    Are you sure it's not pinned, as a post ban upper may be?
    Is it an OBVIOUS pin?? I don't see a damn thing holding it on.....

    I tried laying it on the floor, and did some UFC type moves to break it loose, but I just ended up looking like a retard.

    It's a Stag 2T if that helps......
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