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    On Target Paladin's Avatar

    Load data and powder choice for Donnie's 9MM - Hard Cast Moly Coated Lead Bullet

    If my new Bayou Bullets come today, I will have some time to reload...looking for some ideas!

    I have 5 powders to choose from:

    Titegroup
    H380
    Universal Clays
    HS-6
    Alliant Bullseye

    Which powder and what amount might you recommend to start with the 9mm green (Moly coated) Bayou 147 gr bullets?

    Thanks.
    Marc
    Kenosha, WI
    CZ-USA 75B Stainless
    USPSA
    IDPA
    NRA

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    LA CHP Instructor # 522 Guate_shooter's Avatar
    Get with Vigilante Sniper, he has TONS of load data
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    Marksman
    H380 is a rifle powder and won't work at all so you're left with the other powders. I'll give you what I show listed in the Lyman Cast Bullet Manual #4.

    Bullseye loads are listed at between 2.8 gr and 3.5 grains.
    HS-6 loads start at 4.4 grains and go up to 5.0 grains.
    Titegroup starts at 2.5 grains and top load is 2.8 grains.
    Universal Clays starts at 3.0 grains and peaks at 3.4 grains.

    All of these loads were developed using CCI 500 primers and assembled in Federal brass. The bullet listed was a Lyman 356637 at 147 grains which should be similar to the Bayou Bullet. There is the difference in lubes to consider and this could affect pressures and velocity. As always, start low and work up as pressure indicators allow. Of the loads I have detailed here, HS6 and Universal Clays claim the highest velocities, but not by much over the others. Nobody can tell you which combination will work best in your individual gun. It looks like you have some testing to do.

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    On Target Paladin's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by highstandard40 View Post
    H380 is a rifle powder and won't work at all so you're left with the other powders. I'll give you what I show listed in the Lyman Cast Bullet Manual #4.

    Bullseye loads are listed at between 2.8 gr and 3.5 grains.
    HS-6 loads start at 4.4 grains and go up to 5.0 grains.
    Titegroup starts at 2.5 grains and top load is 2.8 grains.
    Universal Clays starts at 3.0 grains and peaks at 3.4 grains.

    All of these loads were developed using CCI 500 primers and assembled in Federal brass. The bullet listed was a Lyman 356637 at 147 grains which should be similar to the Bayou Bullet. There is the difference in lubes to consider and this could affect pressures and velocity. As always, start low and work up as pressure indicators allow. Of the loads I have detailed here, HS6 and Universal Clays claim the highest velocities, but not by much over the others. Nobody can tell you which combination will work best in your individual gun. It looks like you have some testing to do.
    Wow, thanks much. I realized the H380 error...edited original post.

    I will work with these a little. If I use these parameters with my other bullets (Missouri Bullet Co. 147 grain cast lead flat point, with lube ring but not coated...the numbers should be pretty close, don't you think?
    Marc
    Kenosha, WI
    CZ-USA 75B Stainless
    USPSA
    IDPA
    NRA

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    Marksman
    Quote Originally Posted by Paladin View Post
    Wow, thanks much. I realized the H380 error...edited original post.

    I will work with these a little. If I use these parameters with my other bullets (Missouri Bullet Co. 147 grain cast lead flat point, with lube ring but not coated...the numbers should be pretty close, don't you think?
    They should be, but the advice to start low and work up slow still applies.

    Also, it may not matter, but I thought I heard that the Bayou Bullets' proprietary coating is not moly.

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    On Target Paladin's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by highstandard40 View Post
    H380 is a rifle powder and won't work at all so you're left with the other powders. I'll give you what I show listed in the Lyman Cast Bullet Manual #4.

    Bullseye loads are listed at between 2.8 gr and 3.5 grains.
    HS-6 loads start at 4.4 grains and go up to 5.0 grains.
    Titegroup starts at 2.5 grains and top load is 2.8 grains.
    Universal Clays starts at 3.0 grains and peaks at 3.4 grains.

    All of these loads were developed using CCI 500 primers and assembled in Federal brass. The bullet listed was a Lyman 356637 at 147 grains which should be similar to the Bayou Bullet. There is the difference in lubes to consider and this could affect pressures and velocity. As always, start low and work up as pressure indicators allow. Of the loads I have detailed here, HS6 and Universal Clays claim the highest velocities, but not by much over the others. Nobody can tell you which combination will work best in your individual gun. It looks like you have some testing to do.
    Thanks much. I sure hope my Bayou Bullets get here today!

    Until then, I have 500 of these I can load...

    They are Missouri Bullet Company
    SubSonic

    #356147M
    .356 Diameter
    9mm Parabellum
    147 Grain 9MM FP
    Brinell 15
    For Subsonic Work

    Can I use the same loading data for these and the Bayous? If not, is there a rule of thumb...like if it is 3gr of XPower for the cast, lubed bullets, start .2gr lower when using the coated Bayou Bullets? Is there any such guideline?
    Marc
    Kenosha, WI
    CZ-USA 75B Stainless
    USPSA
    IDPA
    NRA

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    Bullet Weight Powder Weight Velocity Note Power Factor COL
    BBI 147 TiteGroup 2.9 878 Minor 129 1.135
    Precision L-RNFP 147 TiteGroup 3.0 948 139 1.100
    Clements L-RNFP 146 TiteGroup 3.4 930 136
    L-RN 145 TiteGroup 3.4 1000 145
    L-RN 145 TiteGroup 3.4 1001 145
    L-C, L-FP 147 True Blue 4.5 872 Start 128 1.135
    L-C, L-FP 147 True Blue 5.0 969 Max 142 1.135
    Lyman 356637 147 Universal 3.0 875 Start 129
    Lyman 356637 147 Universal 3.4 969 Max 142
    L-FP 147 Universal 3.6 886 130.242 1.155
    L-RNFP 147 HS6 4.4 846 Start 124
    L-FP 147 HS6 4.5 840 Start 123 1.169
    L-RN 147 HS6 4.8 925 136
    L-FP 147 HS6 5.0 925 Max 136 1.169
    L-RNFP 147 HS6 5.0 968 Max 142
    Lyman 356637 147 Bullseye 2.8 780 Start 115
    Precision L-RNFP 147 Bullseye 3.3 989 145 1.100
    L-CP 147 Bullseye 3.4 750 110 1.125
    Lyman 356637 147 Bullseye 3.5 942 Max 138
    L-CP 147 Bullseye 3.5 800 118 1.125
    L-CP 147 Bullseye 3.7 850 125 1.125
    L-CP 147 Bullseye 3.9 900 132 1.125
    L-CP 147 Bullseye 4.2 1000 147 1.125

    Universal and HS6 may be the most accurate. Titegroup and Bullseye should NOT be used at near max loading.

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    Marksman
    m me your email address and I'll send my data. I have data for plated, fmj, and lead for 147 gr and 135 gr COATED bullets. chrono'd and everything.

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    REVOLVER DRIVER smith625's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Guate_shooter View Post
    Get with Vigilante Sniper, he has TONS of load data
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    Bayou Bullets Load Data from Darrell

    Bayou Bullet Load Data .pdf
    Attached is a pdf of all the Bayou bullet data I have so far. Sorted by gun hope this helps in developing your own loads. As a note, polymer guns do not test well in a Ransom Rest, so I had to bench some. The chrono data is what is important YMMV in the accuracy department as each gun is different. Some of my accuracy issues were with me and my eyesight. I have since started bench testing with a Merit Optical Device on my shooting glasses and a new set of sandbags. Enjoy
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    Marksman

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    I load the 125's with 3.9gr of WST. Makes for a good all around practice round.
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    Newbie
    what kind of group do you get from the BBI 147 tightGroup 2.9gr 878 minor 129 1.135?

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    Marksman
    BTW, Donnie's bullets (Bayou Bullets) are NOT Moly Coated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vigilante Sniper View Post
    Bayou Bullet Load Data .pdf
    Attached is a pdf of all the Bayou bullet data I have so far. Sorted by gun hope this helps in developing your own loads. As a note, polymer guns do not test well in a Ransom Rest, so I had to bench some. The chrono data is what is important YMMV in the accuracy department as each gun is different. Some of my accuracy issues were with me and my eyesight. I have since started bench testing with a Merit Optical Device on my shooting glasses and a new set of sandbags. Enjoy
    I hate to necro such an old thread, especially for a first post, but I am trying to locate hand load data for Bayou 115 and 124g LRN's using Titegroup. I want to load to 125 PF for IDPA in a Sig P226 EE. I grabbed your PDF here (great start, thank you) and see a good range for the 124g over several pistols. Any chance of 115g data and which of the pistols in your sheet most closely resembles the P226?

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