Penalty for unsecured gun?

PPBart · Oct 31, 2014

One way we could reduce the occurrence of kids shooting kids is by making it harder for a kid to get his/her hands on a gun. That responsibility has to fall on the adult owner of the gun. Making the penalty much more severe might make some folks pay more attention(?) -- for example,

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...eighbor-pleads-guilty/ar-BBc6RNb?ocid=U219DHP

If it was my child that died, I don't think I would be satisfied with that sentence...

pyreaux · Oct 31, 2014

Stupid and sad yes, but is a lock box enough, what if your kid learns the combination to your safe, still your fault? What if you securing device is defeated in any way by a kid, is it then your fault for not securing it well enough because your kid intentionally defeated a security device and "you should have known better"?

Vermiform · Oct 31, 2014

So what law would you pass?

A5Mag12 · Oct 31, 2014

Hey I know. We can build centrally located buildings where we can store all the guns guarded by cops and when ever someone wants to shoot their gun they can go and check it out and when they are done they can return if for safe keeping.

madwabbit · Oct 31, 2014

A5Mag12 said:
Hey I know. We can build centrally located buildings where we can store all the guns guarded by cops and when ever someone wants to shoot their gun they can go and check it out and when they are done they can return if for safe keeping.

thats the idea on every military installation. ask any MP how many firearms they find in vehicles.

not sure if joking though. my sarcasm meter was broken this morning with pre-coffee ignorance.

madwabbit · Oct 31, 2014

PPBart said:
One way we could reduce the occurrence of kids shooting kids is by making it harder for a kid to get his/her hands on a gun. That responsibility has to fall on the adult owner of the gun. Making the penalty much more severe might make some folks pay more attention(?) -- for example,

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...eighbor-pleads-guilty/ar-BBc6RNb?ocid=U219DHP

If it was my child that died, I don't think I would be satisfied with that sentence...

leaving a loaded firearm in the reach of a 4 year old is about the dumbest thing you can do. if he even used a simple safe he'd have been fine. morons like this give liberals fuel for the fire. unfortunately, there is no cure for stupid.

JadeRaven · Oct 31, 2014

madwabbit said:
thats the idea on every military installation. ask any MP how many firearms they find in vehicles.

not sure if joking though. my sarcasm meter was broken this morning with pre-coffee ignorance.

Yeah and on every military installation, you are property of the military just like all those firearms.

madwabbit · Oct 31, 2014

JadeRaven said:
Yeah and on every military installation, you are property of the military just like all those firearms.

if by active duty members, then sure. there are an awful lot of civilians on military installations that still have to abide by the firearm/armory guidelines.

JadeRaven · Oct 31, 2014

Vermiform said:
So what law would you pass?

+1

Yeah is some law supposed to protect the kids? This law didn't.

They also could have eaten poison, caught themselves on fire, chopped each other up with power tools, run the other over with a car, stabbed each other with knives, given each other a cold, etc.

oleheat · Oct 31, 2014

madwabbit · Oct 31, 2014

oleheat said:

decir verdad todos los dias!

spec50trout · Oct 31, 2014

A sad tragedy.

Didn't the Newton-nutjob defeat his mother's safe? Maybe that's a poor example.

We could store arms and ammo like the Australians. Firearms in locked storage and ammo in another. All subject to inspection by the authorities.

LouisianaGunny · Oct 31, 2014

Interestingly enough, Big Jake Welch, a member here and gunsmith in BR, is almost done with designing a safety device. Obviously, he has to keep some secrecy until it hits the market, but maybe we will get lucky enough to get him to talk about it a little. I know he has been doing fundraising here http://www.gofundme.com/ft8it4
He has my curiosity.

madwabbit · Oct 31, 2014

spec50trout said:
A sad tragedy.

Didn't the Newton-nutjob defeat his mother's safe? Maybe that's a poor example..

I'm not sure how old that guy was, but I don't think it was four.

LouisianaGunny · Oct 31, 2014

madwabbit said:
I'm not sure how old that guy was, but I don't think it was four.

Just wanted you to know that your one liners crack me up!

whitsend · Oct 31, 2014

Vermiform said:
So what law would you pass?

A dumb law that infringes on the second amendment rights of law abiding citizens and stupid people and criminals will not follow, so nothing will change.

spec50trout · Oct 31, 2014

LouisianaGunny said:
Just wanted you to know that your one liners crack me up!

Yeah, I tend to give him lots of material. The Ted Cruz crack gave me a giggle.

US Infidel · Oct 31, 2014

That would just be ANOTHER stupid law that won't help anything.

PPBart · Nov 1, 2014

pyreaux said:
Stupid and sad yes, but ... still your fault? ...

Yes. You have the right to own the weapon, you have the responsibility to secure it from improper access. Otherwise, aren't you just another example of "it's not my fault, blame someone else"? Certainly, if you've taken "reasonable" (always hated that word usage) measures to secure the weapon and your neighbor's teenage son breaks into your home and sledge-hammers his way into your locked gun cabinet, that's a very different situation from one in which you leave your gun on the kitchen counter while you're taking a shower and your 6-yr old grandson picks it up and shoots himself.

Redd508 · Nov 1, 2014

We dont need more laws or stiffer penalties. We need gun owners to be responsible. If you could legislate responsible behavior the prisons would be empty.

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