"There is no constitutional right to carry a concealed weapon" = BullSh!t

DuckYou · Oct 24, 2009

"There is no constitutional right to carry a concealed weapon." is complete Bullsh!t.

The Second Amendment states that the government "Shall not infringe". That means the government does not have the right to make any law limiting the right of the people to keep and bear arms. All laws limiting our human rights with regard to firearms are unconstitutional.

The Second Amendment does not give us a right, it is there to limit the government from taking our right from us.

ryan · Oct 24, 2009

ohhh boy here we go again. again, i don't disagree, but we seem to cover this a few times a week.

charlie12 · Oct 24, 2009

Popcorn?

jimdana1942 · Oct 24, 2009

Popcorn, coke, some mild duds, napkins and not too far from the restroom.

JBP55 · Oct 24, 2009

jimdana1942 said:
Popcorn, coke, some mild duds, napkins and not too far from the restroom.

Milk Duds?

JustinB · Oct 24, 2009

Dont you know you need clearance from Big Brother to CC?! You racist/radical/anarchist/bigot/ people and your second amendment.

/sarcasm

BRLAShooter · Oct 24, 2009

IOP1.

Again.

LACamper · Oct 24, 2009

I see a walmart trip report coming up...

I'd pop some popcorn, but I'm too full... we picked up shrimp poboys from Harbor View on Williams...

TDH · Oct 24, 2009

I hear parchment paper is good for wiping your hienie butt with!

JR1572 · Oct 24, 2009

This may be hard for anyone to believe, but try searching the topic of a thread you want to start. It may have been posted before.

JR1572

ryan · Oct 24, 2009

JBP55 said:
Milk Duds?

its a candy. my grandma always used to eat them.

DuckYou · Oct 24, 2009

I had to say it because of a response in the the sticky thread FL-nonresident.

LSU2010 · Oct 24, 2009

LACamper said:
I see a walmart trip report coming up...

I'd pop some popcorn, but I'm too full... we picked up shrimp poboys from Harbor View on Williams...

What else is good? Always looking for a new place to try on my way back home to NO.

dzelenka · Oct 24, 2009

LSP972 said:
And you know more than a high-speed attorney who is involved with LSA, the shooting scene, and 2A things in general... who is the guy that made that "response".

The MQ here just keeps climbing...

.

Someone mention me?

dzelenka · Oct 24, 2009

I am just happy to know that our new resident constitutional scholar, DuckYou, has made everything clear. I guess that the US Supreme Court doesn't need to address the issue of whether the 2nd Amendment acts as a restraint on state power. Thank goodness. That will save the LSA and 30 other state associations tens of thousands of dollars submitting briefs in an effort to get the Court to incorporate the 2nd Amendment through the 14th Amendment to overrule a state law as violating the right to keep and bear arms for the first time in history.

DuckYou, it is nice to say, but unfortunately, not true. Be thankful that the Louisiana constitution provides greater protection of your right to keep and bear arms than the 2nd Amendment. However, do note that the LA Const. specifically excludes concealed carry from its protection. Sorry dude but history and jurisprudence are against you. However, it is a lofty goal and LSA is working toward it. Perhaps you should join and even donate to the fund for LSA's brief in the McDonald v. City of Chicago that is currently being written. I would be happy for you to join the fight.

Dan

LSU2010 · Oct 24, 2009

when you say under the 14th ammend. do you mean this part:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

?

JadeRaven · Oct 24, 2009

dzelenka said:
DuckYou, it is nice to say, but unfortunately, not true.

The opinion of the court does not equal the truth, even though the opinion of the court overwhelmingly outweighs the truth for our purposes. . . .

dzelenka · Oct 24, 2009

That would be it. You need to look at incorporation jurisdiction. Thus far all or part of the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 8th Amendments have been incorporated to act as limits on the states.

dzelenka · Oct 24, 2009

pangris said:
So you are saying in order to strengthen the 2nd we have to weaken the states and empower the feds...

In a way.

LSU2010 · Oct 24, 2009

soz I was reading the relevant wiki pages as a starter on all this, so bear with and correct any misinformation (or incorrect interpretation, as I do go to public school), but is the reason the 2nd ammend has to be incorporated bc of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporation_%28Bill_of_Rights%29#Amendment_II

Regarding the Second Amendment and the incorporation doctrine, the Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller said (in a footnote):

With respect to Cruikshank's continuing validity on incorporation, a question not presented by this case, we note that Cruikshank also said that the first amendment did not apply against the states and did not engage in the sort of Fourteenth Amendment inquiry required by our later cases. Our later decisions in Presser v. Illinois, 116 U.S. 252, 265 (1886) and Miller v. Texas, 153 U.S. 535, 538 (1894), reaffirmed that the Second Amendment applies only to the Federal Government.[24]

The Cruikshank case held that states could violate the 1st Amendment right to freedom of assembly, the 2nd Amendment right to arms and the 15th Amendment right to vote without the possibility of Federal oversight[25]. The Cruikshank case arose from events now known as the Colfax Massacre, in which blacks trying to vote in Louisiana in 1873 were systematically disarmed and then subjected to three days of arson, riot, rape and murder with over 100 dead before Federal troops moved in to restore order [26]. The Heller court of 2008 condemned Cruikshank yet again (in addition to the footnote above) when they cited with approval a new book by Charles Lane, "The Day Freedom Died" in which "the day" was the day the Cruikshank decision was handed down, basically "legalizing" over 4,000 lynchings and innumerable civil rights violations by state and local governments by barring Federal protection of civil rights [27]. This strong 2008 condemnation of the main anti-incorporation case against the 2nd Amendment has left many observers more or less certain that 2nd Amendment incorporation will happen at the Supreme Court in 2010 [28].

Is Louisiana the root of all this?!?!?

pangris said:
For that particular cause...

I would like to think of it as empowering the memory of the Founders and the Continental Army

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