A chic at work adopted. Something like $20-30K or so, I think. There is more paperwork buying a kid than their is legally obtaining a machine gun in California.
Obama accepts being Gay !
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A chic at work adopted. Something like $20-30K or so, I think. There is more paperwork buying a kid than their is legally obtaining a machine gun in California.
My aunt and her husband had to go to China to pick up their girl. I didn't ask, but it wasn't cheap.
http://costs.adoption.com/
Lets see..... A child with no parents...... do we:
1. Place them in a loving home with gay parents?
2. Place them in the care of the government?
How is this even a question?
+1, and I don't think that having gay parents would turn a kid gay. I know plenty of gay people who had straight parents. It didn't "fix" them. The roughly 90% of heterosexual society pressuring them didn't "fix" them. Do you think you would be gay if your Dad or Mom had been gay, GunRelated? I don't. I think it's just how someone is wired.
It is interesting the turn-about that the government has done on homosexuality.
Gotta say, this is ONE POINT that I agree on Obama with. Gays are just "people" to me, and as long as they pull their own, what they do romantically is their own business as long as they respect that I and many others don't want to be involved in it. I think that if they are going to be in a long-term relationship, marriage should be an option for them, as well. There is no reason other than someone else's irrational fears and insecurities for it not to be so.
Gotta say, this is ONE POINT that I agree on Obama with. Gays are just "people" to me, and as long as they pull their own, what they do romantically is their own business as long as they respect that I and many others don't want to be involved in it. I think that if they are going to be in a long-term relationship, marriage should be an option for them, as well. There is no reason other than someone else's irrational fears and insecurities for it not to be so.
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I never had that deep of a conversation with someone who is gay. I do have a friend who's brother was gay and died of aids. He said they talked about it and his brother told him "You know how you get a boner when you look at a good looking chick? That's what happens to me when I look at guys." He didn't understand why he was like that, he just was.
I can relate to that. Nobody taught me to like boobies. I just always did.
I never had that deep of a conversation with someone who is gay. I do have a friend who's brother was gay and died of aids. He said they talked about it and his brother told him "You know how you get a boner when you look at a good looking chick? That's what happens to me when I look at guys." He didn't understand why he was like that, he just was.
I can relate to that. Nobody taught me to like boobies. I just always did.
I have several gay and lesbian friends. My X gf was a lesbian. She, I think, became one on an emotional level because of the massive amount of sexual abuse her biological father heaped upon her. She could no-longer emotionally identify with a man. Sexually, she was VERY straight, though. Her case is unique to abuse, I think.
The gays I know, I asked some of them once about it. They basically laughed and said "I didn't "turn gay. I always was, it's just what's "right" for me. It feels right." Plenty of gay guys I know had super hot girlfriends, etc. but that's just not how they were wired in the end, though.
Interestingly, I have observed some gay people at a distance, and noted that their body-shapes, fat distribution trends, etc. tend to mirror that of females. I question whether or not it is a hormonal or chemical thing, but then, I know some gay guys that look like pro wrestlers, too. Who knows. Psychology is not my forte.
The gays I know who are in long-term relationships, theirs last just as well as heterosexual marriages. Maybe longer. I certainly don't feel that I am qualified to throw stones at them.
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Do you not think a kid will be treated differently in public places, such as school because the other kids know he/she has interracial parents? poor parents? rich parents? old parents? dead parents? fat parents?
The list of things that children will taunt each other about is endless.
GunRelated
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Well, the only way that question could be honestly answered is if I were raised by gay parents, because the way that you are brought up as a kid has a lot to do with your "wiring". Of course, this isn't ALWAYS the case, but let's say this, if you were raised by parents whom were worthless and selfish, you would have a greater chance of turning out that way as well, than not. I'm not saying being gay is a bad thing, but I can't help but to put myself in the shoes of a child with gay parents and I just wouldn't be right. Maybe it is an instinctive heterosexual male thought, but I am just not sure how it would work out, especially for a boy rather than a girl, but then again, I still haven't figured females out, so maybe they would be ok with it.
GunRelated
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I was more talking about children in the US.
I can tell you right now money matters a lot. I experienced a lot of **** talking due to that one. Always had the no-brand clothes, never could afford a birthday party (except once) or to go eat with the team after a game. Yeah. That sucked.
I was raised by parents who had GED's and lived in a trailer and fainted at the sight of blood, avoided physical confrontation at all costs, married in their late teens/early 20's, and loved Fords.
I in turn got into full-contact fighting, have only owned 2 Ford's and drive a Nissan currently, graduated with a 4-year degree in the medical field, and am 26 and have no plans for marriage.
I cannot see how my upbringing influenced me to emulate my parents in any direct way. If anything, I saw where they erred, and made what I view as "corrections" in my own life.
My parents are heterosexual, as am I, so I can't comment on the sexuality aspect of it.
My aunt wrote her thesis for her Master's degree on nature vs. nurture. Her take was that nature has a lot to do with it. I can see this in children who are NOT raised by their parents, but who's parents are known to be "selfish and worthless".
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The links is for all adoptions. My comment on my aunt was just adding that addopting children ain't cheap. They went to China because they couldn't get what they wanted here. They did try.
It's not the gov't business fo reel...BUTT I do feel sorry for the kidsl when the others start laughing about how lil Johnnys parents both have TT's and what they do with them. In kid detail of course. All about the kids.
Same idea for bi racial marriage...not the gov'ts bizness , just the people deciding if they are going to spawn and what will be the future of the offspring.
Govt does have a responsibility to document all legally recognized marriages for purposes like inheritance any other situation requiring peoples legal status to each other.
Now...should the govt regulate in-bred marriage ??
It's not the gov't business fo reel...BUTT I do feel sorry for the kidsl when the others start laughing about how lil Johnnys parents both have TT's and what they do with them. In kid detail of course. All about the kids.
Same idea for bi racial marriage...not the gov'ts bizness , just the people deciding if they are going to spawn and what will be the future of the offspring.
Govt does have a responsibility to document all legally recognized marriages for purposes like inheritance any other situation requiring peoples legal status to each other.
Now...should the govt regulate in-bred marriage ??
To me, it's about freedom being abridged via legislated morality. I am against that in all forms.
Mojo Rider
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Allow gays to get married!! OMG are you people crazy? What's next...pretty soon they'll want to allow women and blacks to be able to vote.
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Legislation/Law and the Bible...two different things.
TomTerrific
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This. If anything, in the government's eyes all marriages should be civil unions. Marriage is a religion thing for the most part.
This too. Gay people just are, just like any of us are straight. I sure as heck didn't need anyone to teach me I liked titties and pretty girls, it just happened.
Probably because few presidents will say so. I'm sure he's buying votes though.
Oh, the irony of this post.
I'll agree that this isn't a real issue though.
IMO, you have the right idea.
+++++++++
And thanks for saying it.
I understand that. Wasnt this nation built "one nation under God"? We all know why obama is doing this, he just wants more votes.
