W.Va. student, school at odds over NRA T-shirt- leads to arrest

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  • Grendal

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    http://news.yahoo.com/w-va-student-school-odds-over-nra-t-221912044.html

    CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) — A West Virginia student was charged with causing a disruption at a middle school when he refused to remove a T-shirt that displayed the National Rifle Association's logo and hunting rifle.
    Jared Marcum, 14, said the shirt did not violate Logan Middle School's dress code policy.
    "I was surprised. It shocked me that the school didn't know their own dress code and their own policy. I figured they would have known not to call me out on that shirt because there was nothing wrong with it," Marcum said in a telephone interview.
    Marcum's stepfather, Allen Lardieri, said the youth was waiting in line in the school cafeteria Thursday when a teacher ordered the eighth-grader to remove the T-shirt or to turn it inside out.
    Marcum said was sent to the office where he again refused the order.
    "When the police came, I was still talking and telling them that this was wrong, that they cannot do this, it's not against any school policy. The officer, he told me to sit down and be quiet. I said, 'No, I'm exercising my right to free speech.' I said it calmly," he said.
    Police charged him with disrupting an educational process and obstructing an officer, he said.
    "The only disturbance was caused by the teacher. He raised his voice," he said.
    The Associated Press typically does not identify juveniles charged with crimes, but Marcum and his family wanted his name and case known.
    A call to the Logan Police Department rang unanswered on Sunday and an automated message said the voice mail system was full.
    Lardieri said Marcum wore the shirt during five class periods before he was ordered to remove it.
    Logan County Schools' dress code, which is posted on the school system's website, prohibits clothing and accessories that display profanity, violence, discriminatory messages or sexually suggestive phrases. Clothing displaying advertisements for any alcohol, tobacco, or drug product also is prohibited.
    Their lawyer, Ben White, said that the T-shirt did not appear to violate any school policy.
    "I just don't understand why this teacher reacted the way he did," said White, who said he asked school officials to preserve surveillance video of the cafeteria.
    White said he planned to meet Monday with Principal Ernestine Sutherland.
    A message left Sunday at a phone listing for an Ernestine Sutherland in Logan wasn't immediately returned.
    White said schools can place restrictions on students to prevent disruptions, but can't take away their First Amendment right to free speech.
    "If a teacher is telling you to do something that's wrong, I don't think you should follow it. But I also don't think you need to do it in a disrespectful way," he said, adding that he does not think Marcum was disrespectful.
    White said he also wants to get the criminal charges dropped.
     
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    JBP55

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    The same thing would probably occur in almost any school in America and is common knowledge.
     

    03protege

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    There has to be more to this story, there just has to be.

    A school calling the cop who then CHARGES the kid with 2 crimes all for wearing a T-shirt? Kids beat the **** out of each other at schools and they don't call the cops and this kid was harder to control than them?

    Sounds like some liberals just wanted to burn this kid.

    EDIT: It doesn't surprise me they wanted him to take the shirt off (however stupid that may be) but to get the police involved over something so trivial is just crazy.
     
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    http://news.yahoo.com/w-va-student-school-odds-over-nra-t-221912044.html

    CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) — A West Virginia student was charged with causing a disruption at a middle school when he refused to remove a T-shirt that displayed the National Rifle Association's logo and hunting rifle.
    Jared Marcum, 14, said the shirt did not violate Logan Middle School's dress code policy.
    "I was surprised. It shocked me that the school didn't know their own dress code and their own policy. I figured they would have known not to call me out on that shirt because there was nothing wrong with it," Marcum said in a telephone interview.
    Marcum's stepfather, Allen Lardieri, said the youth was waiting in line in the school cafeteria Thursday when a teacher ordered the eighth-grader to remove the T-shirt or to turn it inside out.
    Marcum said was sent to the office where he again refused the order.
    "When the police came, I was still talking and telling them that this was wrong, that they cannot do this, it's not against any school policy. The officer, he told me to sit down and be quiet. I said, 'No, I'm exercising my right to free speech.' I said it calmly," he said.
    Police charged him with disrupting an educational process and obstructing an officer, he said.
    "The only disturbance was caused by the teacher. He raised his voice," he said.
    The Associated Press typically does not identify juveniles charged with crimes, but Marcum and his family wanted his name and case known.
    A call to the Logan Police Department rang unanswered on Sunday and an automated message said the voice mail system was full.
    Lardieri said Marcum wore the shirt during five class periods before he was ordered to remove it.
    Logan County Schools' dress code, which is posted on the school system's website, prohibits clothing and accessories that display profanity, violence, discriminatory messages or sexually suggestive phrases. Clothing displaying advertisements for any alcohol, tobacco, or drug product also is prohibited.
    Their lawyer, Ben White, said that the T-shirt did not appear to violate any school policy.
    "I just don't understand why this teacher reacted the way he did," said White, who said he asked school officials to preserve surveillance video of the cafeteria.
    White said he planned to meet Monday with Principal Ernestine Sutherland.
    A message left Sunday at a phone listing for an Ernestine Sutherland in Logan wasn't immediately returned.
    White said schools can place restrictions on students to prevent disruptions, but can't take away their First Amendment right to free speech.
    "If a teacher is telling you to do something that's wrong, I don't think you should follow it. But I also don't think you need to do it in a disrespectful way," he said, adding that he does not think Marcum was disrespectful.
    White said he also wants to get the criminal charges dropped.

    This is how the battle for our rights will be lost, in our schools. If kids grow up in an environment where they are told to shut up and sit down and not to buck the trend then when they grow up they are already zombies.
     

    AustinBR

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    I wore an NRA shirt to IHOP a few weeks ago and I had people pointing and noticeably talking about me. I find it amusing.
     

    stancel

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    Just a whole bunch of stupid. The school for calling the police, and the dumb cop who arrested the kid. We can hope they both loose their jobs, but they wont.
     

    Kraut

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    My son's school has uniforms, but every time I go I purposefully wear t-shirts that have something to do with guns/America/patriotism/military, just 'cause I can.
     

    JNieman

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    Ain't no "more to the story" needed.

    He's a kid. He doesn't have any rights. He's in school, he has to follow the rules. If someone's attire causes a disturbance, the teachers can tell them to change, turn it inside-out, etc, that's how it's been since I was a kid in my rural-ass high school. You can't wear shirts advertising beer, cigarettes, has girls in bikinis, etc where I was from.

    Just because it's about guns doesn't mean it's f*cking holy and untouchable. Learn some context. This is not what gun rights is about.

    It's sad that his dad is teaching him that you can be wrong, but if you whine and cry loud enough you can at least make it rough on the other side.

    You don't have a right to wear a shirt with NRA/Guns on it to school. Period.

    Hell, I got a notice sent home from /my/ kid's school because I sent him to kindergarten with boots on, one rainy day, instead of the normal sneakers. ZOMG RIGHTS INFRINGED. It's the ****ing dress code kid, sit down, shutup and do your damned homework.
     

    PPBart

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    Ain't no "more to the story" needed.
    He's a kid. He doesn't have any rights... If someone's attire causes a disturbance, the teachers can tell them to change, turn it inside-out, etc, that's how it's been since I was a kid in my rural-ass high school...

    Sorry, but IMO that's BS. Kids in school do not automatically give up all their constitutional rights, and I believe there have been several court cases supporting that.

    The school's posted dress code "prohibits clothing and accessories that display profanity, violence, discriminatory messages or sexually suggestive phrases. Clothing displaying advertisements for any alcohol, tobacco, or drug product also is prohibited." In this case I have to agree with the kid's lawyer -- his shirt doesn't appear to violate any of those restrictions.

    And as for causing a disturbance -- what defines a "distubance"? If my grandson wears a Harley Davidson tee to school and someone claims to be disturbed by it, should he be required to change? How many people have to "disturbed" for such an unwritten rule to be enforced?
     

    SpeedRacer

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    If I had a dollar for every time I had to turn a shirt inside out in school I'd be rich.

    The whole story seems to basically be the tween version of open carry. Just cut and paste all the arguments from one of those threads, change the words "gun" and "law" to "t-shirt" and "school policy" and call it a day.
     

    Suburbazine

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    Jnieman... You seem incapable of basic reading comprehension. The kid violated NO RULES, as written by the school. Just because someone decided school policy was insufficient doesn't mean the kid was wrong (or lacked the rights) to follow WRITTEN policy.
     

    JNieman

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    Jnieman... You seem incapable of basic reading comprehension. The kid violated NO RULES, as written by the school. Just because someone decided school policy was insufficient doesn't mean the kid was wrong (or lacked the rights) to follow WRITTEN policy.
    Cry me a river, this is old news that's been going on since school was school.

    People are just pissing and moaning because this time it was an NRA/AR shirt.
     

    Crimson

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    Man, just 4 years ago when i was in highschool we all wore nra or hunting shirts that pictured rifles with no problem, hell even today some of my friends siblings do, i guess West Monroe is just different.
     
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    JNieman

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    Man, just 4 years ago when i was in highschool we all wore nra or gunting shirts that pictured rifles with no problem, hell even today some of my friends siblings do, i guess West Monroe is just different.
    yea, today I bought a raffle ticket for a school fundraiser from a coworker... one chance per day to win a gun for the 31 days in august.

    School fund raiser, raffling off 31 long arms. Rifles, shotguns, single shots, bolt actions, semi-autos..

    Schools gotta keep control though. What's good in one school isn't good for others.
     

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    Cry me a river, this is old news that's been going on since school was school.

    People are just pissing and moaning because this time it was an NRA/AR shirt.
    yeah, and last time it was an American flag T-shirt. What's wrong with these damn kids!? Don't they know people get offended by these sorts of things?! Get off my lawn!!
     

    Vsotok10

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    Ain't no "more to the story" needed.

    He's a kid. He doesn't have any rights. He's in school, he has to follow the rules. If someone's attire causes a disturbance, the teachers can tell them to change, turn it inside-out, etc, that's how it's been since I was a kid in my rural-ass high school. You can't wear shirts advertising beer, cigarettes, has girls in bikinis, etc where I was from.

    Just because it's about guns doesn't mean it's f*cking holy and untouchable. Learn some context. This is not what gun rights is about.

    It's sad that his dad is teaching him that you can be wrong, but if you whine and cry loud enough you can at least make it rough on the other side.

    You don't have a right to wear a shirt with NRA/Guns on it to school. Period.

    Hell, I got a notice sent home from /my/ kid's school because I sent him to kindergarten with boots on, one rainy day, instead of the normal sneakers. ZOMG RIGHTS INFRINGED. It's the ****ing dress code kid, sit down, shutup and do your damned homework.

    Again, this mentality is how our rights will be lost. Teach your kids that they have no rights in certain situations/circumstances and they are inclinded to give up their right to self defense whenever a "state of emergency" is declared and ray n*gin decides to confiscate guns. Your kids laying down under pressure doesn't help my kids at all!

    If we always allow someone else to dictate our actions/dress/possesions to make themselves feel better then nobody would own guns or cars that burn fossil fuels. Rules are put in place to balance our liberties with everyone else's. This teacher demanding the kid change/remove his shirt and then involving LE is no different than feinswein demanding American citizens give up guns and then having obama call in the ATF to enforce her will; all of which is against the highest law in our land - the US Constitution. The Constitution which protects this kid's right to free speech; the only exception of the first amendment is instances where such speech could result in immediate violence, which this shirt surely would not cause.

    Move to Kommiefornia if you really feel this way and let the rest of us protect American's liberties!
     
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    returningliberty

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    Ok, I could understand the school saying "turn your shirt inside out". It's not against the written rules but I'm Sure somewhere in the handbook it says kids must obey the commands of teachers and staff.

    I would have been totally fine if the kid got detention or even a suspension for bucking the authority of the teachers. That's not the way to fight bad orders.

    What I'm NOT fine with is the police being called, and then dropping the hammer on a 14 year old over a t shirt. As an LEO I'll say "You, sir, should be ashamed of yourself. Conflict resolution and de-escalation. Go learn it." I hope his superiors are having a chat with him about it.
     
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