The Israeli Method

[762NATO]

What do you think of this, and PLEASE no attacks, berating, and acting like a bunch of children on a school ground that just saw their first crush?
Do any of you carry like this?

 

[SpeedRacer]

I can't think of any way to describe that technique that doesn't include attacks, berating or acting like a child...sorry.

For anyone unfamiliar, it's a method in which you carry with an empty chamber and rack the slide as part of your drawstroke. Terrible, terrible idea.

 

[Crimson]

I carry one in the chamber, racking the slide takes time you may not have.

 

[Speedlace]

Police assurances on his gear are music to DJ's ears

BRIAN LEWIS was leaving his apartment, heading to a gig as a disc jockey in January 2005, when three guys jumped him.

Two of them pulled pistols.
The men wanted his gear, including two CD mixers worth $499 each.

They also wanted Lewis to turn around and go back inside his house with them.

What the robbers didn't know was that Lewis had a gun, and a permit to carry it.

Lewis reached for his gun, telling the robbers he was pulling out the key to his door.

Lewis aimed across his body, drawing a bead on the head of one man aiming a pistol at his back.

Click.

The gun was loaded, but there was no bullet in the chamber.

The two robbers heard the pistol's dry fire and blasted away, shooting Lewis in the back.

"I was able to stand my ground and get a round in there," Lewis said.

"I turned around, started yelling and shooting back. I shot every bullet I had in my clip. I just kept pulling the trigger."

Lewis hit two of the three men, killing one of them. Lewis slumped to the ground and briefly passed out.

He woke up worried about the two robbers still alive.

"I was scared to death," he said. "I was shot. I wasn't going to wait until they finished me off. I got the hell out of there."...

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/l...rances_on_his_gear_are_music_to_DJs_ears.html

 

[762NATO]

That is the one hesitation I had about it. It invariably takes time to rack the slide, and it may have worked and worked well for Israel in its early days, but things have changed for the auto pistol.

You make a good point, Speedlace. One may forget to rack the slide, and is a corpse for it.

What else think ye?

 

[JBP55]

No.

 

[762NATO]

No.

Care to elaborate, JBP? What do you mean by "No,"?

 

[JBP55]

Do any of you carry like this?

No, I do not carry like the Israeli's.

 

[kcinnick]

I don't carry an unloaded gun, if that's what your asking.

Whats next, Barney Fife carry?

 

[Sin-ster]

We've had this thread before. The Israelis-in-question worked their butts off in training to make this happen efficiently, and could chamber a round during the drawstroke faster than 90% of the planet could even mount the gun on a target.

But it's still slower. And it adds one more thing that can go wrong in an already perilous situation.

I feel safe in saying that there's maybe 10 people on these boards that carry a pistol who would dedicate enough time to training for this to EVER be even remotely viable. And none of us are silly enough to even consider it an option.

 

[swamper]

I feel safe in saying that there's maybe 10 people on these boards that carry a pistol who would dedicate enough time to training for this to EVER be even remotely viable. And none of us are silly enough to even consider it an option.

Adding to that, by simply chambering a round for carry, the time that would have been spent training for that drawstroke can now be dedicated to touching up/training other skills.

 

[762NATO]

No, I do not carry like the Israeli's.

OK. I get you know. Why don't you?

 

[762NATO]

Y'all make some good points. I was just after some constructive ideas about this method of carry. I wonder if our Israeli brothers are still using their brainchild?

 

[goodburbon]

I carry concealed to maintain the tactical advantage in any situation where I might need 1. a weapon and 2. any advantage I can have to stay alive. It makes no sense to basically lose your advantage of surprise while you're taking time to make your weapon ready.

 

[762NATO]

I carry concealed to maintain the tactical advantage in any situation where I might need 1. a weapon and 2. any advantage I can have to stay alive. It makes no sense to basically lose your advantage of surprise while you're taking time to make your weapon ready.

I get it now. It's slower, and concealed carry is not about slow or overtness. It is somewhat moot by the fact that the modern autopistol has a capable safety, generally speaking, and that makes this a bit silly.

Anybody ever carry like this?

 

[Leadfoot]

There are ONLY 2, and maybe not even 2, maybe just 1 handgun I would even CONSIDER carrying in Condition 3.

The first one would be a Glock, UNDER THE FOLLOWING CIRCUMSTANCES: The Clipdraw (Some like it, some hate it. IMHO, it has its use). Or any other carry method that does NOT cover the trigger.

The second would be a Series 70 style 1911 that I was UNSURE about the condition of the firing pin spring, and even this is an iffy, as the design cannot fire if in Condition 1, so its really a non-issue.

If you feel that you MUST carry in Condition 3, you really need to consider if your training is sufficient to carry a handgun in the first place AND ARE YOU CARRYING THE RIGHT GUN FOR YOU?

 

[762NATO]

Good point. The firearm I hope I may buy has a proven track record, has been used by all kinds of LEOs and militaries a globe around, and has a great safety.
Thanks for the input guys.

 

[03protege]

The ONLY reason to carry without the chamber loaded is to prevent AD/ND.

That is pretty much irrelevant with a good holster and trigger discipline.

Also majority of my handguns do not have safeties and for carry purposes I would not use it if it did.

 

[deafdave3]

Carry without a round chambered, then you may have to spend the rest of your life trying to chamber one when you really need to.

 

[03protege]

Carry without a round chambered, then you may have to spend the rest of your life trying to chamber one when you really need to.

Well said.