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  • 323MAR

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    Here is the entire law. Show me where it excludes your home or car or business:

    §95. Illegal carrying of weapons

    A. Illegal carrying of weapons is:

    (1) The intentional concealment of any firearm, or other instrumentality customarily used or intended for probable use as a dangerous weapon, on one's person; or

    (2) The ownership, possession, custody or use of any firearm, or other instrumentality customarily used as a dangerous weapon, at any time by an enemy alien; or

    (3) The ownership, possession, custody or use of any tools, or dynamite, or nitroglycerine, or explosives, or other instrumentality customarily used by thieves or burglars at any time by any person with the intent to commit a crime; or

    (4)(a) The manufacture, ownership, possession, custody or use of any switchblade knife, spring knife or other knife or similar instrument having a blade which may be automatically unfolded or extended from a handle by the manipulation of a button, switch, latch or similar contrivance located on the handle.

    (b) The provisions of this Paragraph shall not apply to the following:

    (i) Any knife that may be opened with one hand by manual pressure applied to the blade or any projection of the blade.

    (ii) Any knife that may be opened by means of inertia produced by the hand, wrist, or other movement, provided the knife has either a detent or other structure that provides resistance that shall be overcome in opening or initiating the opening movement of the blade or a bias or spring load toward the closed position.

    (5)(a) The intentional possession or use by any person of a dangerous weapon on a school campus during regular school hours or on a school bus. "School" means any elementary, secondary, high school, or vo-tech school in this state and "campus" means all facilities and property within the boundary of the school property. "School bus" means any motor bus being used to transport children to and from school or in connection with school activities.

    (b) The provisions of this Paragraph shall not apply to:

    (i) A peace officer as defined by R.S. 14:30(B) in the performance of his official duties.

    (ii) A school official or employee acting during the normal course of his employment or a student acting under the direction of such school official or employee.

    (iii) Any person having the written permission of the principal or school board and engaged in competition or in marksmanship or safety instruction.

    B.(1) Whoever commits the crime of illegal carrying of weapons shall be fined not more than five hundred dollars, or imprisoned for not more than six months, or both.

    (2) Whoever commits the crime of illegal carrying of weapons with any firearm used in the commission of a crime of violence as defined in R.S. 14:2(B), shall be fined not more than two thousand dollars, or imprisoned, with or without hard labor, for not less than one year nor more than two years, or both. Any sentence issued pursuant to the provisions of this Paragraph and any sentence issued pursuant to a violation of a crime of violence as defined in R.S. 14:2(B) shall be served consecutively.

    C. On a second conviction, the offender shall be imprisoned with or without hard labor for not more than five years.

    D. On third and subsequent convictions, the offender shall be imprisoned with or without hard labor for not more than ten years without benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of sentence.

    E. If the offender uses, possesses, or has under his immediate control any firearm, or other instrumentality customarily used or intended for probable use as a dangerous weapon, while committing or attempting to commit a crime of violence or while in the possession of or during the sale or distribution of a controlled dangerous substance, the offender shall be fined not more than ten thousand dollars and imprisoned at hard labor for not less than five nor more than ten years without the benefit of probation, parole, or suspension of sentence. Upon a second or subsequent conviction, the offender shall be imprisoned at hard labor for not less than twenty years nor more than thirty years without the benefit of probation, parole, or suspension of sentence.

    F.(1) For purposes of determining whether a defendant has a prior conviction for a violation of this Section, a conviction pursuant to this Section or a conviction pursuant to an ordinance of a local governmental subdivision of this state which contains the elements provided for in Subsection A of this Section shall constitute a prior conviction.

    (2) The enhanced penalty upon second, third, and subsequent convictions shall not be applicable in cases where more than five years have elapsed since the expiration of the maximum sentence, or sentences, of the previous conviction or convictions, and the time of the commission of the last offense for which he has been convicted; the sentence to be imposed in such event shall be the same as may be imposed upon a first conviction.

    (3) Any ordinance that prohibits the unlawful carrying of firearms enacted by a municipality, town, or similar political subdivision or governing authority of this state shall be subject to the provisions of R.S. 40:1796.

    G.(1) The provisions of this Section except Paragraph (4) of Subsection A shall not apply to sheriffs and their deputies, state and city police, constables and town marshals, or persons vested with police power when in the actual discharge of official duties. These provisions shall not apply to sheriffs and their deputies and state and city police who are not actually discharging their official duties, provided that such persons are full time, active, and certified by the Council on Peace Officer Standards and Training and have on their persons valid identification as duly commissioned law enforcement officers.

    (2) The provisions of this Section except Paragraph (4) of Subsection A shall not apply to any law enforcement officer who is retired from full-time active law enforcement service with at least twelve years service upon retirement, nor shall it apply to any enforcement officer of the office of state parks, in the Department of Culture, Recreation and Tourism who is retired from active duty as an enforcement officer, provided that such retired officers have on their persons valid identification as retired law enforcement officers, which identification shall be provided by the entity which employed the officer prior to his or her public retirement. The retired law enforcement officer must be qualified annually in the use of firearms by the Council on Peace Officer Standards and Training and have proof of such qualification. This exception shall not apply to such officers who are medically retired based upon any mental impairment.

    (3)(a) The provisions of this Section except Paragraph (4) of Subsection A shall not apply to active or retired reserve or auxiliary law enforcement officers qualified annually by the Council on Peace Officer Standards and Training and who have on their person valid identification as active or retired reserve law or auxiliary municipal police officers. The active or retired reserve or auxiliary municipal police officer shall be qualified annually in the use of firearms by the Council on Peace Officer Standards and Training and have proof of such certification.

    (b) For the purposes of this Paragraph, a reserve or auxiliary municipal police officer shall be defined as a volunteer, non-regular, sworn member of a law enforcement agency who serves with or without compensation and has regular police powers while functioning as such agency's representative, and who participates on a regular basis in agency activities including, but not limited to those pertaining to crime prevention or control, and the preservation of the peace and enforcement of the law.

    H. The provisions of this Section shall not prohibit active justices or judges of the supreme court, courts of appeal, district courts, parish courts, juvenile courts, family courts, city courts, federal courts domiciled in the state of Louisiana, and traffic courts, constables, coroners, district attorneys and designated assistant district attorneys, United States attorneys and assistant United States attorneys and investigators, and justices of the peace from possessing and concealing a handgun on their person when the justice or judge, constable, coroner, district attorneys and designated assistant district attorneys, United States attorneys and assistant United States attorneys and investigators, or justices of the peace are certified by the Council on Peace Officer Standards and Training.

    I. The provisions of this Section shall not prohibit the carrying of a concealed handgun by a person who is a college or university police officer under the provisions of R.S. 17:1805 and who is carrying a concealed handgun in accordance with the provisions of that statute.

    J. The provisions of this Section shall not prohibit the ownership of rescue knives by commissioned full-time law enforcement officers. The provisions of this Section shall not prohibit the carrying of rescue knives by commissioned full-time law enforcement officers who are in the actual discharge of their official duties. The provisions of this Section shall not prohibit the sale of rescue knives to commissioned full-time law enforcement officers. The provisions of this Section shall not prohibit the ownership or possession of rescue knives by merchants who own or possess the knives solely as inventory to be offered for sale to commissioned full-time law enforcement officers. As used in this Subsection, a "rescue knife" is a folding knife, which can be readily and easily opened with one hand and which has at least one blade which is designed to be used to free individuals who are trapped by automobile seat belts, or at least one blade which is designed for a similar purpose. No blade of a rescue knife shall exceed five inches in length.

    K.(1) The provisions of this Section shall not prohibit a retired justice or judge of the supreme court, courts of appeal, district courts, parish courts, juvenile courts, family courts, and city courts from possessing and concealing a handgun on their person provided that such retired justice or judge is certified by the Council on Peace Officer Standards and Training and has on their person valid identification showing proof of their status as a retired justice or judge.

    (2) The retired justice or judge shall be qualified annually in the use of firearms by the Council on Peace Officer Standards and Training and have proof of such certification. However, this Subsection shall not apply to a retired justice or judge who is medically retired based upon any mental impairment.

    Amended by Acts 1956, No. 345, §1; Acts 1958, No. 21, §1; Acts 1958, No. 379, §§1, 3; Acts 1968, No. 647, §1; Acts 1975, No. 492, §1; Acts 1986, No. 38, §1; Acts 1992, No. 1017, §1; Acts 1993, No. 636, §1; Acts 1993, No. 844, §1; Acts 1994, 3rd Ex. Sess., No. 143, §1; Acts 1995, No. 636, §1; Acts 1995, No. 930, §1; Acts 1995, No. 1195, §1; Acts 1995, No. 1199, §1; Acts 1997, No. 508, §1; Acts 1997, No. 611, §1; Acts 1997, No. 1064, §1; Acts 1999, No. 738, §1; Acts 1999, No. 924, §1; Acts 1999, No. 953, §1; Acts 2003, No. 608, §1; Acts 2003, No. 766, §1; Acts 2006, No. 515, §1; Acts 2006, No. 589, §1; Acts 2008, No. 172, §1; Acts 2011, No. 159, §1; Acts 2012, No. 302, §1; Acts 2012, No. 383, §1.

    "intended for probable use as a dangerous weapon, on one's person"

    This is where "criminal intent" comes into play. There is no "criminal intent" for the concealment of a firearm in your place of business or home.
     

    alpinehyperlite

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    "intended for probable use as a dangerous weapon, on one's person"

    This is where "criminal intent" comes into play. There is no "criminal intent" for the concealment of a firearm in your place of business or home.


    That makes no sense. Do you carry a gun to hammer nails into a piece of wood? No you carry a gun because it is a dangerous weapon. It says nothing about being a dangerous weapon in committing a crime. Your making things up to put in there.
     

    alpinehyperlite

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    It also helps that you conveniently left out the rest of that sentence. "(1) The intentional concealment of any firearm, or other instrumentality customarily used or intended for probable use as a dangerous weapon, on one's person; or"

    It's put in there to include things such as brass knuckles, expandable batons, slap jack... Etc.
     

    GunAddict

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    I dug back into prior postings and threads where this has come up before. Just early last year. Here is the link to that thread and I posted at number 5 the paragraph under carry before the ccp came to be. As stated I don't know if it has changed since then and was valid til 1995.
    http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/...cal-Question&p=1189340&highlight=#post1189340

    For illegal carry makes no distinction between in home or not, so would apply to cars also. Must have a permit to conceal even in your home according to this paragraph.
     

    charlie12

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    Louisiana LE checks for warrants, but the CHP is also in the database.


    It might be a a database but I never heard a dispatcher tell a unit a person has a CHP when running the person in NCIC. It's on your DL and they will say that sometimes.

    Where do you get your info?
     

    323MAR

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    That makes no sense. Do you carry a gun to hammer nails into a piece of wood? No you carry a gun because it is a dangerous weapon. It says nothing about being a dangerous weapon in committing a crime. Your making things up to put in there.

    You do not understand the relationship between "criminal intent" and Louisiana Criminal Code.
     

    alpinehyperlite

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    You do not understand the relationship between "criminal intent" and Louisiana Criminal Code.

    You can't pull stuff out of your ass to make it suit your needs. Carrying a firearm concealed without a permit is against the law. Period. It says it right there in plain English. It's the FIRST line in the law. A gun is a dangerous weapon whether it's used in a crime or not. I really don't understand how you fail to grasp this concept. Carrying the gun concealed with no permit IS the crime. So there is your intent. You intended to break that law.
     
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    323MAR

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    I am not interested in discussing this any further with you if you can not act like an adult. You can continue the insults, but I will not respond any further. Have a nice day sir!
     

    charlie12

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    Yes, I have a commission and a permit. I have the permit in case of suspension or if I ever give up my commission.

    Are you a real road LEO with a unit and pay check? Or a reserve with just a commission?
    You should know they frown on using LE computers these day to play or running checks.

    My best friend has a sworn commission and doesn't know anything about LE he's friends with a Sheriff
     

    alpinehyperlite

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    I am not interested in discussing this any further with you if you can not act like an adult. You can continue the insults, but I will not respond any further. Have a nice day sir!

    You have yet to provide a shred of proof to substantiate your claims that I am incorrect. After I provided you with proof of the law, you then made up some BS saying that a gun is not a dangerous weapon unless one is committing a crime with a gun.

    If you can provide ANY SORT OF PROOF that I am wrong, I will happily publicly apologize and retract all statements I have made. You call me a child, but after I have called you out several times with proof your the one who sticks your fingers in your ears and says lalalalala.
     

    josh62685

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    In the law that you posted earlier it says you cannot have a Automatic folding knife. I carry a spring assisted kershaw knife all the time. Are those illegal?

    Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk
     

    alpinehyperlite

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    In the law that you posted earlier it says you cannot have a Automatic folding knife. I carry a spring assisted kershaw knife all the time. Are those illegal?

    Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk

    Is the knife opened by a switch, button or lever located on the handle, or is the rocker a piece of the blade?
     

    madwabbit

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    You guys are distorting some common terms into mutually valid arguments without addressing the point.

    You can have a firearm in your home, where ever and however you please.
    You can have a firearm in your vehicle, so long as its legal for you to possess a firearm. Regarding where and how:

    If it is in your glove box, you are fine so long as it is legal for you to be in possession of a firearm.
    If it is in your waistband, you need a CHP.


    The first sentence is not true for many of our neighboring states, so consider that before travel.



    response to upward statements:

    The intentional concealment of any firearm, or other instrumentality customarily used or intended for probable use as a dangerous weapon, on one's person; or
     
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    323MAR

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    Are you a real road LEO with a unit and pay check? Or a reserve with just a commission?
    You should know they frown on using LE computers these day to play or running checks.

    My best friend has a sworn commission and doesn't know anything about LE he's friends with a Sheriff

    I ran my own name years ago after I received my permit. That was before most depts became more strict.
     
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