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  • Emperor

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    The Founders were some very intelligent men. There are numerous examples of where they predicted almost everything that could/would/is going wrong with our modern forms of Government.

    So what is the problem? Why are "We the People" not screaming bloody murder? How have they come to subvert the Constitution over and over in their individual and/or ideological pursuits? And why are we not forcing our kids to realize this too?

    Here is where you can see the Constitution in its easiest form.

    http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

    Here are few examples from some of the greatest political minds in our history. Feel free to add some more of your favorites:

    Abraham Lincoln

    “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves”.

    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.”

    Thomas Jefferson

    "The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, and government to gain ground."

    "As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body, and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks. Never think of taking a book with you."

    "I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground: That "all powers not delegated to the United States, by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States or to the people." To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition."

    "If a member of the Executive or Legislature does wrong, the day is never far distant when the people will remove him. They will see then and amend the error in our Constitution which makes any branch independent of the nation."

    "You seem to consider the judges the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges … and their power [are] the more dangerous as they are in office for life, and are not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves … . When the legislative or executive functionaries act unconstitutionally, they are responsible to the people in their elective capacity. The exemption of the judges from that is quite dangerous enough. I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society, but the people themselves."

    "When all government, domestic and foreign, in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the centre of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another, and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated."

    "The judiciary of the United States is the subtle corps of sappers and miners constantly working underground to undermine our Constitution from a co-ordinate of a general and special government to a general supreme one alone. This will lay all things at their feet. … I will say, that “against this every man should raise his voice,” and, more, should uplift his arm."

    James Madison

    "The internal effects of a mutable policy are [...] calamitous. It poisons the blessings of liberty itself. It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man who knows what the law is today can guess what it will be tomorrow."

    "All power is originally vested in, and consequently derived from, the people. That government is instituted and ought to be exercised for the benefit of the people; which consists in the enjoyment of life and liberty and the right of acquiring property, and generally of pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety. That the people have an indubitable, unalienable, and indefeasible right to reform or change their government whenever it be found adverse or inadequate to the purpose of its institution."

    "Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government."

    You could spend days drawing the comparisons of the Founders fears and the current installment of our government. Each year it gets more and more blurred and subverted. :(
     

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    You hit it right on the head, and everyone seems to be sitting back and watching it happen. One day our children or grandchildren will ask us how they took our freedom away and the answer will be - They didn't take it, we gave it away!
    One day the good things in the US will be bad and the bad things will be good. Morals in this country are gone.
    I don't understand people these days and it is just getting worse.

    All I know to do is teach my children what's right, stand up for what I believe, and PRAY for this country.
     

    mike84z28

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    Until the people suffer and I mean really suffer (not just lose your HBO) nothing will change. The suffering will come, it always has in history. Much of America is too concerned with what sports figures and entertainers are doing or saying and have no intrest in what really matters. Just keep the data flowing on their cell phones and that new car smell in their nose and all is well. This will all come to a head some day, history will repeat itself again. I bet the American Indian population in this country is watching this and saying "Not too nice to be over run is it "...
     

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    TJ, on a knowledgeable populace and a free press:

    "Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."

    "if a nation expects to be ignorant & free, in a state of civilisation, it expects what never was & never will be. the functionaries of every government have propensities to command at will the liberty & property of their constituents. there is no safe deposit for these but with the people themselves; nor can they be safe with them without information. where the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe."

    "The advertisement is the most truthful part of a newspaper."


    And we currently have a corrupt media and illiteracy rate off the scales.
     
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    Fred_G

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    I think it started with liberals taking over the education system. Many people think that they have the "right to happiness" not the "right to peruse happiness". And, if we rein in the gubment, all them gubment giveaways go away.
     

    Emperor

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    JM on fringe minority groups imposing their will eg Gay Marriage through the courts via a corrupt media shaming the majority perhaps? Current numbers in the US: 63% of the population that recognize marriage as that between a man and woman. 23% that think gay marriage should be recognized.

    "A faction, is a number of citizens united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adverse to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community.*

    And TJ:

    "To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."
     
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    Emperor

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    Executive orders?!?

    TJ:

    "Leave no authority existing not responsible to the people."

    JM:

    I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations.
     
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    Politicians?!?

    TJ:

    "Whenever a man has cast a longing eye on offices, a rottenness begins in his conduct."

    "If the present Congress errs in too much talking, how can it be otherwise in a body to which the people send one hundred and fifty lawyers, whose trade it is to question everything, yield nothing, and talk by the hour?"

    AL:

    "Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."

    JM:

    "The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted."
     
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    School indoctrination?!?

    AL:

    "The philosophy of the school room in one generation will be the philosophy of government in the next."

    JM:

    "Learned Institutions ought to be favorite objects with every free people. They throw that light over the public mind which is the best security against crafty and dangerous encroachments on the public liberty."
     
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    Emperor

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    Free Speech?!? Like the phony's labeling everyone that disagrees with their agendas, racists, bigots, etc.?

    George Washington:

    "If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
     

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    Moral decay and the silencing of Christianity?!?

    George Washington:

    "Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."

    "I beg you be persuaded that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution."
     
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    Patriot Act, NSA, TSA, DHS, BATFE, et al?!?

    Benjamin Franklin

    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

    JM:

    "If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."

    "The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home."
     
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    Social Entitlements and Welfare?!?

    BF:
    "I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion about the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it."

    "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself."
     

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    Government Over-reach?!?

    JM:

    "Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions."

    "I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."
     
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    The 2nd Amendment!?!

    JM:

    "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with
    arms."

    "A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained in arms, is the best most natural defense of a free country."
     
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    Pretendercare, Patriot Act?!?

    JM:

    "It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood."
     

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