NFA Gun Trust Setup

cjacobs · Apr 22, 2016

Hello all. I'm sure this has been asked before, so please excuse me if has already been covered. I'm very new to the Class III world and I would like to setup an NRA gun trust to purchase suppressors and make form 1 suppressors. Anyone know of any gun trust lawyers around the New Orleans area? Do I even need a lawyer for this? And how much does this typically cost to get done?

notasheeple · Apr 22, 2016

Kenny at MEPLAT group, he's also a sponsor on here.

cjacobs · Apr 22, 2016

notasheeple said:
Kenny at MEPLAT group, he's also a sponsor on here.

Thanks!

JoeLiberty · Apr 22, 2016

I had mine done by JCCypress, who is a lawyer on here. Everyone I've heard from seems happy with what they get. I am. Got two stamps approved so far.
Lawyer drafted trusts are typically in the $300 range.
Be sure to check out silencertalk.com , lot of good technical info on there.
Also, you don't necessarily need a lathe: http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/showthread.php?140750-Homemade-Suppressor

cjacobs · Apr 22, 2016

JoeLiberty said:
I had mine done by JCCypress, who is a lawyer on here. Everyone I've heard from seems happy with what they get. I am. Got two stamps approved so far.
Lawyer drafted trusts are typically in the $300 range.
Be sure to check out silencertalk.com , lot of good technical info on there.
Also, you don't necessarily need a lathe: http://www.bayoushooter.com/forums/showthread.php?140750-Homemade-Suppressor

Thanks!

Jmfox3 · Apr 22, 2016

Check out Joseph R Cataldie Esq. He's a sponsor on this site. Around $300 for the trust. I did the trust in Jan, just received my first stamp for my SBR build on Tue, and had my lower engraved today at West Bank engraving. If you're building an upper submit the form online at https://www.atfonline.gov/EForms/fa...2504096837938774&_adf.ctrl-state=rm05l1yav_39. You'll need a Mozilla browser for the ATF site. Silencer Shop was the easiest to order a suppressor as they take of everything and ship it to a local FFL http://www.silencershop.com/.

Jim's Firearms · Apr 23, 2016

We use Joey Cataldie for all of our NFA Trust Customers.

cjacobs · Apr 23, 2016

Thanks guys

Tiollib · Apr 23, 2016

+1 for Kenny at Meplat Group. He has an awesome price for the trust if you buy a can at the same time.

cjacobs · Apr 23, 2016

Tiollib said:
+1 for Kenny at Meplat Group. He has an awesome price for the trust if you buy a can at the same time.

I can't get in touch with him. Tried to call a few times, left a message, and sent a text.

US Infidel · Apr 24, 2016

All good people suggested. There is also Mouthpiece on here. He is in New Orleans. He did mine. Quick and easy.

Jasarii · Apr 24, 2016

+1 for "Mouthpiece"...he did mine. Quick and easy process.

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BeardedPatriot38 · Jun 22, 2016

Coyote Gunworks LLC
$95

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whitsend · Jun 22, 2016

BeardedPatriot38 said:
Coyote Gunworks LLC
$95

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$169 if you want access to a TX attorney, which won't do you much good for a trust in LA.

It's not much more to use any of the 3 LA attorneys listed above. Then you have a trust drawn up by an attorney here in LA and have access to him for all your questions.

The myth of "do-it-yourself" Gun Trusts.
NFA firearms are highly regulated by the ATF, and possession of these items outside of the strict legal requirements can land you in federal prison. These items are expensive, the application process is tedious, and the approval wait times are often several months.

So, why would someone skimp a few bucks and seek registration through a flimsy "Trust" template that they found on the internet or got from their gun store?

I recently received a "trust template" from a client, who asked me to look over it. Apparently, this document has been circulated around the internet as a "gun trust" and unsuspecting folks are submitting applications for NFA items using it. The document/template was drafted as a standard, boilerplate, living trust and makes absolutely no mention of NFA items. It contained conflicting provisions that would suggest shared ownership and registration of these items between multiple persons and entities. There were no provisions as to who can and can't possess the NFA items, nor how the items would be distributed upon the termination of the trust. There were several other major issues in the document and frankly, the document was wholly inadequate for the acquisition of NFA items.

I'm not saying that if one fills in the blanks and submits the template, that the ATF won't "rubber-stamp" approve it- Their examiners are understaffed and overworked, and they are not lawyers. But, I can tell you that these "do-it-yourself" trust templates will fail when put under a microscope. You do not want to be left unprotected should circumstances change either in my own unique situation, or in the manner in which these items are regulated.

Much like you would not build a $1500 rifle and mount a $30, "Made in China" scope on it, your gun trust is not the area in which to cut corners. If you needed surgery, you wouldn't start combing the internet for cheap knives to do it yourself, you would call a doctor.

If you are thinking of purchasing NFA items, speak with a Louisiana attorney about whether establishing a valid NFA Gun Trust is right for you.

http://www.laguntrusts.com/why-us.html

BeardedPatriot38 · Jun 22, 2016

I've used my trust created by Coyote over a dozen times and have never had any issues with anything. They are also great at helping out with any questions or concerns you might have.
I just wanted to offer the man a cheaper alternative.

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Ben Karns · May 30, 2018

Looking for an update on this thread, needing a new trust and will be transferring items from an existing trust.

Is Jim's still using the same guy?

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bigtattoo79 · May 30, 2018

Ben Karns said:
Looking for an update on this thread, needing a new trust and will be transferring items from an existing trust.

Is Jim's still using the same guy?

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I just wondering: Do you have to pay the $200.00 again for moving them?

Jim's Firearms · May 30, 2018

Ben Karns said:
Looking for an update on this thread, needing a new trust and will be transferring items from an existing trust.

Is Jim's still using the same guy?

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We are still using Joseph Cataldie for all our gun trusts.

Armbruster Armory · May 30, 2018

For those of you west of the Atchafalaya Basin, please keep me in mind for NFA Gun Trusts - I have been getting referrals from Sentry Defense and will get referrals from Louisiana Range Gun Club, for all of their customers needing trusts.

I am a 23 year litigation attorney, an FFL/SOT, and a BayouShooter site sponsor.

George Armbruster
Armbruster & Associates, APLC
Armbruster Armory, LLC
332 East Farrel Road, Suite D
Lafayette, LA 70508

krotsman · May 30, 2018

I thought most of the benefits of the trusts had been wiped away a few years back. What are the current benefits of setting up a trust these days?

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