Sig Awarded Military Handgun Contract

El Rubio · Jan 30, 2017

Log Island said:
I have a really hard time believing they will introduce a hammerless, safety less, double action only pistol to every swinging dumb f**k E1 or butterbar to end up with 9 toes....
My .02...

The p320 is striker fired. I think you're confusing it with the similar p250, which is DA only.

rcm192 · Jan 30, 2017

cajun_64 said:
I guess the P320 availability will go to zero for a while

They have already been difficult to get from distributors in quite a few variations.

Bonephish · Jan 30, 2017

burien said:
When this new sig frame cracks or gets run over by a vehicle, the armor can just trow the frame in the trash and put a new one on the platform using the removable FCG / S/N / firearm part of the pistol. A new frame will be about $20.

The Sig 320 is a better modular design than any other, has a sweet trigger and a thumb safety is available. This is a wake up call for Glock to improve their platform beyond G4. S&W, HK, Springfield, Ruger & others, didn't make the cut. I bet the poly gun makers will soon follow Sig in the way it's lowers are made.

Whitebread · Jan 30, 2017

El Rubio said:
The p320 is striker fired. I think you're confusing it with the similar p250, which is DA only.

But that's worse. DAO at least gives you a long firm trigger pull so ever swinging #ick carrying a sidearm has to deliberately pull the trigger all the way back to release the hammer. What makes a good striker fire good, is the short crisp pull/break, but that's precisely what could make a safetiless striker-fired gun like a G-17 dangerous in the hands of every shitbird driving a delivery truck.

JBP55 · Jan 30, 2017

Bonephish said:
The Sig 320 is a better modular design than any other, has a sweet trigger and a thumb safety is available. This is a wake up call for Glock to improve their platform beyond G4. S&W, HK, Springfield, Ruger & others, didn't make the cut. I bet the poly gun makers will soon follow Sig in the way it's lowers are made.

You must live in a Dream World.

ShooterScott · Jan 31, 2017

It's interesting on whether these are the best guns for the job, or these were strictly based on lobbying and money.

SpeedRacer · Jan 31, 2017

ShooterScott said:
It's interesting on whether these are the best guns for the job, or these were strictly based on lobbying and money.

To put it simply: bid is put out with feature requirements and testing protocols. Only entries that past testing and meet requirements are considered, at that point price, deliverability, and maybe a little lobbying/hookers/blow come into play.

Basically it doesn't matter if it's the best gun for the job, just that it's proven it can do the job and the price is right. But the testing criteria is no walk in the park, and they're certainly not putting untested junk in the hands of our soldiers.

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aboatguy · Feb 2, 2017

Army goes to SIG just when NSW decides to go Glock. One of the things that makes me go HMMMMMM WTF!

JBP55 · Feb 2, 2017

Whitebread said:
But that's worse. DAO at least gives you a long firm trigger pull so ever swinging #ick carrying a sidearm has to deliberately pull the trigger all the .way back to release the hammer. What makes a good striker fire good, is the short crisp pull/break, but that's precisely what could make a safetiless striker-fired gun like a G-17 dangerous in the hands of every shitbird driving a delivery truck.

A Glock has 3 safeties but no traditional external safety like a 1911.

SpeedRacer · Feb 2, 2017

And unfortunately a manual safety was one of the requirements for the Army contract. I think it's a can't win situation. In the hands of a poorly trained soldier, a Glock is more dangerous outside of combat. And in the hands of an untrained soldier, a manual safety is more dangerous while in combat. Considering the limited combat use handguns see in the modern military, I kinda agree with the decision.

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323MAR · Feb 3, 2017

Bonephish said:
The Sig 320 is a better modular design than any other, has a sweet trigger and a thumb safety is available. This is a wake up call for Glock to improve their platform beyond G4. S&W, HK, Springfield, Ruger & others, didn't make the cut. I bet the poly gun makers will soon follow Sig in the way it's lowers are made.

HK and Ruger did not participate.

LACamper · Feb 3, 2017

All I want to know is when are the surplus M9's coming onto the market!

Whitebread · Feb 3, 2017

JBP55 said:
A Glock has 3 safeties but no traditional external safety like a 1911.

Sorry you are correct. The two worlds I left off are manual and external.

Whitebread · Feb 3, 2017

SpeedRacer said:
And unfortunately a manual safety was one of the requirements for the Army contract. I think it's a can't win situation. In the hands of a poorly trained soldier, a Glock is more dangerous outside of combat. And in the hands of an untrained soldier, a manual safety is more dangerous while in combat. Considering the limited combat use handguns see in the modern military, I kinda agree with the decision.

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Yeah I think muscle memory is easier to teach than safety when you are working with such widely diverse groups as new recruits. It's important to teach both by no means don't misunderstand me, but failing to take the safety off in drills will get a routine result of your gun not going bang, but in large groups failing to keep your booger hooker where it belongs until ready to fire could go unnoticed until you actually F-up and ND.

Blackhawk · Feb 3, 2017

Sometimes it is not the best weapon that wins a contract, but the best package. I can recall that on the last pistol competition that Sig came out on top of Beretta, but Beretta had a lesser cost package of accessories/parts/warranties so they were awarded the contract. At the same time NSW looked at the results and selected the Sig p226 as what they would field.

automan71 · Feb 25, 2017

I just find it funny that they never wanted to even allow Glock into trials, in the past, because it lacked a manual safety. Then, select a pistol with no manual safety.

SpeedRacer · Feb 25, 2017

automan71 said:
I just find it funny that they never wanted to even allow Glock into trials, in the past, because it lacked a manual safety. Then, select a pistol with no manual safety.

The P320 Sig developed for the contract has a manual thumb safety (see pics in this thread).

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automan71 · Feb 27, 2017

Roger that...the ones I've seen all lacked the safety, including the one I put some rounds through this weekend. I didn't know it was going to be offered with a manual safety.

burien · Jun 13, 2017

wait times are still long for blue label offerings, and not much cheaper than retail.

Devilneck · Jul 12, 2017

JBP55 said:
A Glock has 3 safeties but no traditional external safety like a 1911.

I'm sure everyone has seen by now, but the one offered for the MHS had an external, manual thumb actuated safety.

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