sixgundunn
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The ATF has ruled that solvent traps are silencers and shut down SD Tacticals kit business. Google it for more information. Be wary.
I wish people would get their terminology right. It is suppressors, not silencers. The device suppresses sound signature, it doesn't silence it.
You would think some people in the industry would be wiser, use the correct terminology. Even the originator of the HPA in 2015 refers to the devices as silencers. But he is a dumb politician, not a enthusiast or vendor in firearms, or Class III devices.
John, I know that his seems to be a going notion on the internet lately, but I am going to have to disagree with you. The legal terminology is silencer. It is the terminology within all federal law, on Mr. Maxim's initial patent, and on all of the thousands of federal tax stamps that have passed through my hands.
Suppressor may be a more accurate descriptive term and is certainly an acceptable synonym, but the legally correct term has been, and, absent a massive revision of federal law, will continue to be silencer.
Ok Kenny, I will concede, you have way more experience in this field than I do, especially on the legal side. But I will use the term suppressor myself.
I wish people would get their terminology right. It is suppressors, not silencers. The device suppresses sound signature, it doesn't silence it.
You would think some people in the industry would be wiser, use the correct terminology. Even the originator of the HPA in 2015 refers to the devices as silencers. But he is a dumb politician, not a enthusiast or vendor in firearms, or Class III devices.
On the ATF Form 1's and Form 4's that I have showing my approvals, they all say Silencer. So.... I understand how you may feel about this but legally in the USA they use the term Silencer. I use the terms interchangeably and I don't understand why some people try to take such a hard stance on not using the term Silencer, but if you've ever bought one you, you'd know what the gov't calls them. Silencers. I have 11 and they all say the same thing.
I wish people would get their terminology right. It is suppressors, not silencers. The device suppresses sound signature, it doesn't silence it.
You would think some people in the industry would be wiser, use the correct terminology. Even the originator of the HPA in 2015 refers to the devices as silencers. But he is a dumb politician, not a enthusiast or vendor in firearms, or Class III devices.
Meplat is correct. These devices started with the name "silencer" and even tho they have been greatly improved over the early models, the designation "suppressor" or "sound suppressor" didn't come into play until much later. The names are synonymous and I'll bet there's not one person on this forum that wouldn't know what I'm talking about if I say I'm buying a silencer for my firearm.John, I know that his seems to be a going notion on the internet lately, but I am going to have to disagree with you. The legal terminology is silencer. It is the terminology within all federal law, on Mr. Maxim's initial patent, and on all of the thousands of federal tax stamps that have passed through my hands.
Suppressor may be a more accurate descriptive term and is certainly an acceptable synonym, but the legally correct term has been, and, absent a massive revision of federal law, will continue to be silencer.
I thought Steven Segal made one that made his rifle silent? I saw it with my own two eyes.I wish people would get their terminology right. It is suppressors, not silencers. The device suppresses sound signature, it doesn't silence it.
You would think some people in the industry would be wiser, use the correct terminology. Even the originator of the HPA in 2015 refers to the devices as silencers. But he is a dumb politician, not a enthusiast or vendor in firearms, or Class III devices.
I thought Steven Segal made one that made his rifle silent? I saw it with my own two eyes.
I wanted to post up I was at Interstate Guns in Hammond last week and they charge $40 for Class III transfer on site electronic fingerprints and photo, and they keep data on file and good for 2 years. While some charge $100. That crew at Interstate Guns is first rate and squared away. They have some nice cans available and very reasonable prices to boot.
Also solventtrap.net is no longer on line, the second such business shutdown in the last 3 months by the Feds. If you ever wanted to buy a kit or some parts, now is a good time. RoninPro has 15% off right now, use code TAX15. Not trying to push RoninPro on anyone, just passing on the discount available right now.
I'm glad to hear Interstate is doing prints as well. We do the same thing and it takes a lot of the hassle out of the process. I'm not a big fan of solvent traps/oil filter cans---most of my customers who have done them and then moved on to commercial silencers feel like the solvent traps were fun when they got them but once they start using the real thing it feels like a waste of money. But to each their own.
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I'm not a fan of oil can suppressors either. But I can tell you this, I have a friend who purchased a solventtrap.net kit on sale for $125 delivered to his door. Submitted Form 1 and after approval, lawfully assembled a suppressor which includes a 1.5" OD 6061 seamless aluminum tube, steel automotive freeze plug baffles and a couple internal AL spacers. The direct thread adapter and end cap is also machined 6061 AL. The tube and caps were anodized black from solventtrap.net. On his Ruger .22 Lite pistol, it is most impressive. There are youtube videos out there for all to see, demonstrating such. So for a total cost of ~ $400 including kit, Fed tax stamp, photo and fingerprinting fees, engraving, and mailing costs, he has very effectively suppressed his Ruger .22 Lite. And had a really good time drilling, drinking a couple cold and frosty beverages, assembling and testing his .22 can. Call it home brew 101. We rural folks enjoy this sort of thing. It's a nice piece, very effective, and surely not junk.
RoninPro does components and kits even better, offering machined 7075 AL and/or 304 SS cone baffles (I had previously referred to these as K baffles, but my friend recently gave me a brief primer in suppressor 101 and educated me), and tubes and caps in 7075 AL. They do cost more than the now expired solventtrap.net venture.
So the moral of the story is one can roll their own at home or farm (with a little time on the drill press), or purchase a factory manufactured and warrantied suppressor via a Class III dealer. There are viable options out there, other than oil filter or fuel filter adaptations.
Oh and did I tell you Interstate Guns in Hammond offers on site electronic fingerprinting, photos, and submission for $40?