BeardedPatriot38
Well-Known Member
Hello all,
I'll try to make this as short & sweet as possible. Let me start by saying that I am Retired Leo/Military and being a huge 2A advocate I do my best at keeping up with all local, state and federal laws ..... old, new and amended. With that said, I came across something a couple weeks back that I knew little to nothing about. "The concealing of a legally owned rifle (16 inch barrel). Might sound crazy to some I know, but in my case I am referring to a Kel-Tec Sub2000 G17 that I own. For those who don't know, the Sub 2000 folds in half making it a very compact and concealable weapon. Moving forward I spent the next 3 days talking to different individuals starting with the ATF/Federal, then the Troopers/Sate and then finally my local PD. I will not go into detail about how horrible of an experience it was or how many people I had to speak to in each agency or how ignorant, unprofessional and just plain wrong most of these people were. To sum up my results which is pretty much where I'm at today, I've managed to discover that there's no fed law that says I can't..... no state law.... so obviously my only concern now is local laws and/or statues. Out of the 3 agencies the local boys take the cake, hands down. Summing up hours of talking and at time arguing with multiple people I walked away from it with 3!different answers/reasons why they think it's illedgal.
Reason 1: Louisiana Revised Statute 14–95
"The illegal Carry of weapons" cover this and clearly makes it illegal.
My Argument: INCORRECT- 14-95 has absolutely nothing to do with the legal carry of a firearm or my question for that matter!!! It refers to weapon having been concealed for use or intention as a "dangerous weapon". Also refers to "enemy aliens", which I am not... Then jumps to tools, i.e. Dynamite, nitroglycerin and the covers Spring assist in auto knives and somewhere in there it refers to using one or all of these things in a crime etc. so in a not shell the statute has absolutely nothing to do with my question our situation!?
Reason 2:Guy says sure that's easy.... it's illegal to do so without a "permit". I responded with something like I didn't know you needed a permit to carry a concealed rifle. Ekstam with statute stated that would license he was referring to etc. He tells me the La CHL. I'm sure most of you why understand where I'm going with this but I asked him, sir… You telling me I need a CHL, that's a concealed handgun permit to carry a rifle concealed it doesn't say anywhere in the statutes pertain to handguns are the concealment of handguns that it covers rivals as well I think you're mistaken I concealhandgun permit is for exactly that a handgun… with most of them don't seem to understand is just because there are no laws or statutes or anything set in place that says I can it really doesn't matter I just need to worry about anything set in place that says I can't,. In the end he stuck to his guns and swore up-and-down it covered both but I know better! A CHL is only for handguns.
Reason 3: (Probably my fav) this one came from Sergeant Miller Who is currently employed with my local PD as the concealed carry guy the subject matter expert the man that knows everything about guns concealment transport etc. I explain to him what's going on who I am and why I was asking and before I could finish he impatiently and very unprofessional he cut me off and said no you can't do that that's illegal. I was very polite and respectful and told him that I appreciate that I want to make sure I'm doing the right thing and not breaking any laws and I plan to spread the word among my other gun loving friends however I would really appreciate it if you could give me the statute or law that stated that so that others would be aware as well as myself. For stores as soon as I asked for the statute , He hung up on me… I call back still keeping Michael being polite and calm laughing it off saying that the phone must've disconnected and I asked him again for the statute and tell him why I need it and he said you know what sirI don't have time for this, all you need to know is that it's illegal because I say so, then he hung up on me again and that was the last time I talk to anyone.
So after a few days consisting of a couple hours during that time frame you can see how I'm up against the wall and after talking to all the agencies and all the people I have I still don't have a short answer for the local side of things.
And I also contacted a few law firm's that also had no clue but they admitted they didn't so that was less painful. If anyone out there has any correct and factual information pertaining to this or could even possibly guide me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated
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I'll try to make this as short & sweet as possible. Let me start by saying that I am Retired Leo/Military and being a huge 2A advocate I do my best at keeping up with all local, state and federal laws ..... old, new and amended. With that said, I came across something a couple weeks back that I knew little to nothing about. "The concealing of a legally owned rifle (16 inch barrel). Might sound crazy to some I know, but in my case I am referring to a Kel-Tec Sub2000 G17 that I own. For those who don't know, the Sub 2000 folds in half making it a very compact and concealable weapon. Moving forward I spent the next 3 days talking to different individuals starting with the ATF/Federal, then the Troopers/Sate and then finally my local PD. I will not go into detail about how horrible of an experience it was or how many people I had to speak to in each agency or how ignorant, unprofessional and just plain wrong most of these people were. To sum up my results which is pretty much where I'm at today, I've managed to discover that there's no fed law that says I can't..... no state law.... so obviously my only concern now is local laws and/or statues. Out of the 3 agencies the local boys take the cake, hands down. Summing up hours of talking and at time arguing with multiple people I walked away from it with 3!different answers/reasons why they think it's illedgal.
Reason 1: Louisiana Revised Statute 14–95
"The illegal Carry of weapons" cover this and clearly makes it illegal.
My Argument: INCORRECT- 14-95 has absolutely nothing to do with the legal carry of a firearm or my question for that matter!!! It refers to weapon having been concealed for use or intention as a "dangerous weapon". Also refers to "enemy aliens", which I am not... Then jumps to tools, i.e. Dynamite, nitroglycerin and the covers Spring assist in auto knives and somewhere in there it refers to using one or all of these things in a crime etc. so in a not shell the statute has absolutely nothing to do with my question our situation!?
Reason 2:Guy says sure that's easy.... it's illegal to do so without a "permit". I responded with something like I didn't know you needed a permit to carry a concealed rifle. Ekstam with statute stated that would license he was referring to etc. He tells me the La CHL. I'm sure most of you why understand where I'm going with this but I asked him, sir… You telling me I need a CHL, that's a concealed handgun permit to carry a rifle concealed it doesn't say anywhere in the statutes pertain to handguns are the concealment of handguns that it covers rivals as well I think you're mistaken I concealhandgun permit is for exactly that a handgun… with most of them don't seem to understand is just because there are no laws or statutes or anything set in place that says I can it really doesn't matter I just need to worry about anything set in place that says I can't,. In the end he stuck to his guns and swore up-and-down it covered both but I know better! A CHL is only for handguns.
Reason 3: (Probably my fav) this one came from Sergeant Miller Who is currently employed with my local PD as the concealed carry guy the subject matter expert the man that knows everything about guns concealment transport etc. I explain to him what's going on who I am and why I was asking and before I could finish he impatiently and very unprofessional he cut me off and said no you can't do that that's illegal. I was very polite and respectful and told him that I appreciate that I want to make sure I'm doing the right thing and not breaking any laws and I plan to spread the word among my other gun loving friends however I would really appreciate it if you could give me the statute or law that stated that so that others would be aware as well as myself. For stores as soon as I asked for the statute , He hung up on me… I call back still keeping Michael being polite and calm laughing it off saying that the phone must've disconnected and I asked him again for the statute and tell him why I need it and he said you know what sirI don't have time for this, all you need to know is that it's illegal because I say so, then he hung up on me again and that was the last time I talk to anyone.
So after a few days consisting of a couple hours during that time frame you can see how I'm up against the wall and after talking to all the agencies and all the people I have I still don't have a short answer for the local side of things.
And I also contacted a few law firm's that also had no clue but they admitted they didn't so that was less painful. If anyone out there has any correct and factual information pertaining to this or could even possibly guide me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated
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