Nurse In Utah Gets Arrested For Doing Her Job

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    They do not lose those rights of Hippa, the hospital is required by law to protect the patients rights under Hippa. Hippa has nothing to do with acts or non acts of crimes. Do some more studying up on Hippa.


    There are 4 major hospitals in Lafayette with a few other minor surgery centers and clinics. Visit each and every one of them and you would surely be likely to find out. While doing my paramedic clinicals at 3 or the 4, I quickly found out how and why the security works at each.



    Nope, find the name of them yourself. My wife is an expert in the medical legal dept of one of those hospitals and the parent corporation that owns that hospital. So, I guess she legally advises instructors and other employees of what is expected and what is legally a no-no!

    1) I am very well versed in HIPPA and other associated regulations. HIPPA covers a lot of ground, but just for the sake of this discussion, let's consider patient confidentiality. Hospitals cannot disclose who their patients are (patient details), per HIPPA. I think we can agree on that. Yet if you get shot, the hospital has to legally disclose to the police that you were shot - even if you accidentally shot yourself (negligent discharge or other mistake). If you are involved in a crime and in the hospital, HIPPA cannot prevent the police from questioning you.

    2) Your lack of answering shows that you realize you are caught misspeaking about something you don't know about and don't want to admit it. You have no skin in the game. Providing the name of the hospital that you know enforces whatever you think they enforce should cause no detriment to you, so why not admit it?

    3) So you are simply providing hearsay because you "guess" something and are quoting it on here as fact. If you aren't an expert (or knowledgeable) on something, you probably shouldn't assert it.
     

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    One of the later developments is of interest: the hospital has now banned LEO's from direct contact with nursing staff (and others?). Just how will that play out with the local PD?

    just so we are clear on what is actually happening:

    The Salt Lake City hospital where a police officer roughly arrested a nurse who was protecting her patient's rights in July will no longer allow law enforcement agents inside its patient care areas. They'll now have to check in rather than enter through the emergency room.

    "Law enforcement who come to the hospital for any reason involving patients will be required to check in to the front desk of the hospital," said chief nursing officer Margaret Pearce of the University of Utah Hospital. "There, a hospital house supervisor will meet the officers to work through each request."
     

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    You all that dont have a clue are more than welcome to believe what ever or however you wish. The wife has been working at one of those hospitals for the last 14yrs. I refuse to name such hospital for the privacy of her, administration officials, nurses, doctors, other workers there, and the patients in that facility. I have been there to visit her for lunch or other reasons regularly and have personally witnessed leo officers from probation officers, city pd, sheriff's office and state police locking up their weapon in lock boxes in the hospital's secured area. The only time I have seen an officer allowed to carry their weapon into the hospital or any unit of the hospital was when they showed up with an arrest warrant. All other times, they left their weapon in a lock box in the secured area or in their vehicle. Again, believe or make your own assumptions at your own will. As the old saying goes, one can lead a horse to water but can not force them to drink.
     
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    I’ve been watching this thread for a while and I’m attempting to learn something from the curbside lawyers and members expert witness wives on here. So let me make sure I understand your train of thought. If I own a store and I commit a crime I can ban the police from coming on my property to arrest me because it’s a private business? That’s awesome, I hope this information doesn’t get leaked to the criminals


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    I believe he is saying that SINCE IN THIS CASE, no crime was suspected by the patient (officer admitted this openly), THEN a private hospital is similar to a private Donut Chain in that they may ban whomever they want from their property. I do not get the sense that he meant "Muh private property, Police stay out....in all cases no matter the circumstance".

    He is correct in pointing out the medical dangers involved when the valuable time of medical staff is taken up when unnecessary.
     
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    1) I am very well versed in HIPPA and other associated regulations. HIPPA covers a lot of ground, but just for the sake of this discussion, let's consider patient confidentiality. Hospitals cannot disclose who their patients are (patient details), per HIPPA. I think we can agree on that. Yet if you get shot, the hospital has to legally disclose to the police that you were shot - even if you accidentally shot yourself (negligent discharge or other mistake). If you are involved in a crime and in the hospital, HIPPA cannot prevent the police from questioning you.

    2) Your lack of answering shows that you realize you are caught misspeaking about something you don't know about and don't want to admit it. You have no skin in the game. Providing the name of the hospital that you know enforces whatever you think they enforce should cause no detriment to you, so why not admit it?

    3) So you are simply providing hearsay because you "guess" something and are quoting it on here as fact. If you aren't an expert (or knowledgeable) on something, you probably shouldn't assert it.

    Hippa is actually more detailed than that. And as you say the medical facility is required by law to report any and all medical cases that may involve criminal activity in regards to the patient. Hippa does not prevent leo from questioning the patient, it prevents the hospital from revealing any confidential info of the patient. As an example: Patent shows up in emergency room with a stab wound. Hospital notifies leo that they may want to check into said patient as to said injury. Leo interviews/questions said patient for the info. At no time has the hospital revealed any personal confidential info about said patient. As a former retired leo and retired paramedic, I do not and will not consider it heresay because it is not a guess. I have been there, done that, and my wife has been doing that for the last 14yrs and continues to do so til this day.
     

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    Hippa is actually more detailed than that. And as you say the medical facility is required by law to report any and all medical cases that may involve criminal activity in regards to the patient. Hippa does not prevent leo from questioning the patient, it prevents the hospital from revealing any confidential info of the patient. As an example: Patent shows up in emergency room with a stab wound. Hospital notifies leo that they may want to check into said patient as to said injury. Leo interviews/questions said patient for the info. At no time has the hospital revealed any personal confidential info about said patient. As a former retired leo and retired paramedic, I do not and will not consider it heresay because it is not a guess. I have been there, done that, and my wife has been doing that for the last 14yrs and continues to do so til this day.

    The hospital will give info related to injuries sustained during the crime.


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    I believe he is saying that SINCE IN THIS CASE, no crime was suspected by the patient (officer admitted this openly), THEN a private hospital is similar to a private Donut Chain in that they may ban whomever they want from their property. I do not get the sense that he meant "Muh private property, Police stay out....in all cases no matter the circumstance".

    He is correct in pointing out the medical dangers involved when the valuable time of medical staff is taken up when unnecessary.

    I like the donut theory, very original but not well played. I am perfectly aware of what he said and then what he tried to say to not seem wrong but thanks for playing.


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    You all that dont have a clue are more than welcome to believe what ever or however you wish. The wife has been working at one of those hospitals for the last 14yrs. I refuse to name such hospital for the privacy of her, administration officials, nurses, doctors, other workers there, and the patients in that facility. I have been there to visit her for lunch or other reasons regularly and have personally witnessed leo officers from probation officers, city pd, sheriff's office and state police locking up their weapon in lock boxes in the hospital's secured area. The only time I have seen an officer allowed to carry their weapon into the hospital or any unit of the hospital was when they showed up with an arrest warrant. All other times, they left their weapon in a lock box in the secured area or in their vehicle. Again, believe or make your own assumptions at your own will. As the old saying goes, one can lead a horse to water but can not force them to drink.

    Protecting the privacy of hospital staff by naming a hospital. Do these same people change into regular clothes before they leave this top secret facility. Come on man you can do better than that.


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    I like the donut theory, very original but not well played. I am perfectly aware of what he said and then what he tried to say to not seem wrong but thanks for playing.


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    He (deerslayer, the poster of the comment we are discussing) only made 1 comment...perhaps you are getting confused, which means perhaps you are not "perfectly aware".
     

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    Hippa is actually more detailed than that. And as you say the medical facility is required by law to report any and all medical cases that may involve criminal activity in regards to the patient. Hippa does not prevent leo from questioning the patient, it prevents the hospital from revealing any confidential info of the patient. As an example: Patent shows up in emergency room with a stab wound. Hospital notifies leo that they may want to check into said patient as to said injury. Leo interviews/questions said patient for the info. At no time has the hospital revealed any personal confidential info about said patient. As a former retired leo and retired paramedic, I do not and will not consider it heresay because it is not a guess. I have been there, done that, and my wife has been doing that for the last 14yrs and continues to do so til this day.

    Hence my disclaimer "HIPPA covers a lot of ground, but just for the sake of this discussion..." I assure you, I am well versed in HIPPA and the different facets contained within.

    If a person is shot and is unconscious, will the hospital reveal the person's name (obtained from the ID in their pocket), condition, and details of injury to aid the officers in their investigation? (Yes / no answer is acceptable.)

    Yep, private business and private property. They make the rules and regs about what can and can not occur on their property. I know of one such hospital that actually forces any leo to de-arm themselves by either leaving the weapon in their vehicle or a lock box at the entrance to the hospital before being allowed to enter the hospital. Either they de-arm or they are refused entry into the hospital and are escorted to their vehicle in the parking lot and then escourted of the premises by hospital security.

    Any LEO is what you originally said...now you're changing your story. Would you like to take a second and try to recraft your point again for us?
     

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    The hospital will give info related to injuries sustained during the crime.
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    Only info regarding the injuries and no personal info. They may choose to do so but, by law they are not required to do so without a warrant ordered by a court.

    Protecting the privacy of hospital staff by naming a hospital. Do these same people change into regular clothes before they leave this top secret facility. Come on man you can do better than that.


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    What planet are you from? Or better yet, do you work for equifax? I have more values at protecting some one else's private info than others may do.
     

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    Only info regarding the injuries and no personal info. They may choose to do so but, by law they are not required to do so without a warrant ordered by a court.

    No, no, no, that is NOT how HIPPA works. A hospital cannot just "choose" to hand over information. It's either legal to do so, or it is not.

    In this case, hospitals hand over information to LEOs during the course of their official duties...which brings us back to point A, that hospitals can't prohibit an officer of the law from performing his official duty.
     

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    What planet are you from? Or better yet, do you work for equifax? I have more values at protecting some one else's private info than others may do.

    You are protecting the name of a hospital...? Which are all publically available on Google. No one here knows you or your wife or would be able to link you back to any comments. So essentially, you are clinging on to one last string to "protect" your failed argument.
     

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    Hence my disclaimer "HIPPA covers a lot of ground, but just for the sake of this discussion..." I assure you, I am well versed in HIPPA and the different facets contained within.

    If a person is shot and is unconscious, will the hospital reveal the person's name (obtained from the ID in their pocket), condition, and details of injury to aid the officers in their investigation? (Yes / no answer is acceptable.)



    Any LEO is what you originally said...now you're changing your story. Would you like to take a second and try to recraft your point again for us?

    The hospital can if they wish to do so. By law they are not required to do so. That is where the warrant game comes into play. So the best answer is yes and no.
    As to your "Any LEO is what you originally said...now you're changing your story. Would you like to take a second and try to recraft your point again for us?" I am not following you on this. All and I do mean all leo at this hospital are required to disarm unless they have an arrest warrant in their possession. While still being leo myself before retiring and visiting the hospital and even having a spouse working and on the payroll, was required to leave my weapon either in my vehicle or a lock box in their secured area.
    You guys definitely need to get out in the real world more and actually see what is going on instead of just wild azz guessing of what you think is happening or what you think should be happening!
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    No, no, no, that is NOT how HIPPA works. A hospital cannot just "choose" to hand over information. It's either legal to do so, or it is not.

    In this case, hospitals hand over information to LEOs during the course of their official duties...which brings us back to point A, that hospitals can't prohibit an officer of the law from performing his official duty.

    That is were you are wrong. The hospital can choose to do so but then they are in violation of hippa which is illegal for the hospital to do so.
    The hospital cannot prevent the officer from performing his/her official duty. They can however prevent any release of any confidential info of said patient to leo unless a court order states that such info is to be released to said leo.
     

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    The hospital can if they wish to do so. By law they are not required to do so. That is where the warrant game comes into play. So the best answer is yes and no.
    As to your "Any LEO is what you originally said...now you're changing your story. Would you like to take a second and try to recraft your point again for us?" I am not following you on this. All and I do mean all leo at this hospital are required to disarm unless they have an arrest warrant in their possession. While still being leo myself before retiring and visiting the hospital and even having a spouse working and on the payroll, was required to leave my weapon either in my vehicle or a lock box in their secured area.
    You guys definitely need to get out in the real world more and actually see what is going on instead of just wild azz guessing of what you think is happening or what you think should be happening!
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    Boy that would suck answering a call there and having to disarm. I’m still calling ********. Maybe to visit but not when there handling business. Your failure to disclose the name of a hospital is pretty laughable. I’m done. I came here with the hope of finding I was wrong about a few of you but I see I was right again. Have fun living in make believe world where you can make statements and not back them up. If I were you I would send Austin a PM and ask him nicely to remove some
    of your comments in the hopes that you can have some validity in the next thread you comment in.


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    The hospital can if they wish to do so. By law they are not required to do so. That is where the warrant game comes into play. So the best answer is yes and no.
    As to your "Any LEO is what you originally said...now you're changing your story. Would you like to take a second and try to recraft your point again for us?" I am not following you on this. All and I do mean all leo at this hospital are required to disarm unless they have an arrest warrant in their possession. While still being leo myself before retiring and visiting the hospital and even having a spouse working and on the payroll, was required to leave my weapon either in my vehicle or a lock box in their secured area.
    You guys definitely need to get out in the real world more and actually see what is going on instead of just wild azz guessing of what you think is happening or what you think should be happening!
    For those too lazy to do their own reasearch: http://lmgtfy.com/

    Lol.


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    The hospital can if they wish to do so. By law they are not required to do so. That is where the warrant game comes into play. So the best answer is yes and no.
    As to your "Any LEO is what you originally said...now you're changing your story. Would you like to take a second and try to recraft your point again for us?" I am not following you on this. All and I do mean all leo at this hospital are required to disarm unless they have an arrest warrant in their possession. While still being leo myself before retiring and visiting the hospital and even having a spouse working and on the payroll, was required to leave my weapon either in my vehicle or a lock box in their secured area.
    You guys definitely need to get out in the real world more and actually see what is going on instead of just wild azz guessing of what you think is happening or what you think should be happening!
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    What hospital?

    And are you saying if a police officer is going there to question a suspect or victim in a crime, that the hospital strips the officer of their weapon? I don't believe that and you can't provide substantive proof by providing the name of the hospital, thus your argument is completely void of any facts.
     

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    That is were you are wrong. The hospital can choose to do so but then they are in violation of hippa which is illegal for the hospital to do so.
    The hospital cannot prevent the officer from performing his/her official duty. They can however prevent any release of any confidential info of said patient to leo unless a court order states that such info is to be released to said leo.

    So you are stating that hospitals knowingly violate HIPPA frequently? Show me an example please. I bet we can get a nice class-action setup if that's the case.

    They can't prevent an officer from performing his official duty, yet they can prevent them from having a weapon while doing it? Bro.
     
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