Nurse In Utah Gets Arrested For Doing Her Job

AustinBR · Sep 13, 2017

Okay, let's settle this:

A private business CANNOT force a law-enforcement officer to disarm themselves or not conduct their civic duty. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. If they are off-duty, that is a different story.

Private business and private property mean nothing in this instance. If you commit a crime and are on your private property, you can't tell the cops not to arrest you because you are on private property.

In this situation, it should have been handled better and differently.

MOTOR51 · Sep 13, 2017

AustinBR said:
Okay, let's settle this:

A private business CANNOT force a law-enforcement officer to disarm themselves or not conduct their civic duty. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. If they are off-duty, that is a different story.

Private business and private property mean nothing in this instance. If you commit a crime and are on your private property, you can't tell the cops not to arrest you because you are on private property.

In this situation, it should have been handled better and differently.

So I am going to have to ask you where you obtained your juris doctorate from.

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AustinBR · Sep 13, 2017

Deerslayer440 said:
From what I gather about the La laws regarding this case is
The hospital is a private owned biz,just like any other.

So I would say yes,they can ban whoever they please.
And they should be able too.Those people are saving lives.
They should not have to take time out of their day to explain
to leo what the laws are and what they can and cant do.

Maybe train the LEO to know what the laws are regarding
private biz's such as a hospital.

How would you feel austin if your wife was laying in hospital
and because an ignorant LEO has no clue about wtf he is
talking about or asking,your wife falls out of bed because she
is trying to push the call button and dies with head injury.
All because a nurse was being detained for information.

Do you still want LEO in the hospital to act crazy with the
staff.I'm betting ,NOT!!!!

On duty LEOs cannot be banned from performing their government required duties. You should re-read LA laws.

Regarding your example: That is very farfetched. I think every hospital should have cops in them to be able to respond if crazy happens (lots of possible situations). I know a TON of cops and all of them are great guys who would never act like the person in this video. There will always be bad apples groups (police, business, non-profits, and teams). 99% of cops in hospitals won't act crazy with the staff, and most of the staff would want them there for when **** goes down...which seems to happen frequently at hospitals.

Firearmfanatic · Sep 13, 2017

MOTOR51 said:
I’ve been watching this thread for a while and I’m attempting to learn something from the curbside lawyers and members expert witness wives on here. So let me make sure I understand your train of thought. If I own a store and I commit a crime I can ban the police from coming on my property to arrest me because it’s a private business? That’s awesome, I hope this information doesn’t get leaked to the criminals

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Just dont commit a crime and you have no worries. No crime committed by you then you can legally refuse entrance by leo to your property. You commit a crime then, shame on you cause it is game on. What is being discussed is patient rights of which the hospital is legally responsable and in charge of protecting. You might want to check out Hippa laws and see what all it entails.

MOTOR51 · Sep 13, 2017

bigtattoo79 said:
What hospital is this?

Those crickets you hear is what happens when your wife has been telling you what to type and then she gets busy and you go at it alone lol

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MOTOR51 · Sep 13, 2017

MOTOR51 said:
So I am going to have to ask you where you obtained your juris doctorate from.

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That was a joke by the way

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AustinBR · Sep 13, 2017

Firearmfanatic said:
Just dont commit a crime and you have no worries. No crime committed by you then you can legally refuse entrance by leo to your property. You commit a crime then, shame on you cause it is game on. What is being discussed is patient rights of which the hospital is legally responsable and in charge of protecting. You might want to check out Hippa laws and see what all it entails.

If a LEO is performing duties necessary and relevant to his job, a business cannot ask him to leave. The same goes with private personal property (your home). If a cop is telling you that he is coming into your house for a justified legal reason, you cannot use private property as an excuse to prevent that.

Patients have rights under HIPPA. But they also lose many of those rights if they commit an act that justifies a LEO to perform their governmental duties.

dantheman · Sep 13, 2017

Firearmfanatic said:
I know of one such hospital that actually forces any leo to de-arm themselves by either leaving the weapon in their vehicle or a lock box at the entrance to the hospital before being allowed to enter the hospital. Either they de-arm or they are refused entry into the hospital and are escorted to their vehicle in the parking lot and then escourted of the premises by hospital security.

I think there are a lot of us that are interested in knowing the name of this facility .

MOTOR51 · Sep 13, 2017

Firearmfanatic said:
Just dont commit a crime and you have no worries. No crime committed by you then you can legally refuse entrance by leo to your property. You commit a crime then, shame on you cause it is game on. What is being discussed is patient rights of which the hospital is legally responsable and in charge of protecting. You might want to check out Hippa laws and see what all it entails.

Well as you stated your wife was an expert my wife is also an expert in the medical field. She is actually an instructor so I have the hippa thing under control. Are you going to give us the name of this hospital?

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MOTOR51 · Sep 13, 2017

AustinBR said:
On duty LEOs cannot be banned from performing their government required duties. You should re-read LA laws.

Regarding your example: That is very farfetched. I think every hospital should have cops in them to be able to respond if crazy happens (lots of possible situations). I know a TON of cops and all of them are great guys who would never act like the person in this video. There will always be bad apples groups (police, business, non-profits, and teams). 99% of cops in hospitals won't act crazy with the staff, and most of the staff would want them there for when **** goes down...which seems to happen frequently at hospitals.

Where I work most of the nurses we deal with are related or married to other officers lol

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Firearmfanatic · Sep 13, 2017

MOTOR51 said:
So even if an officer is their to make an arrest or in performance of his duties. Please give us the name of this hospital.

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bigtattoo79 said:
What hospital is this?

AustinBR said:
Okay, let's settle this:

A private business CANNOT force a law-enforcement officer to disarm themselves or not conduct their civic duty. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. If they are off-duty, that is a different story.

Private business and private property mean nothing in this instance. If you commit a crime and are on your private property, you can't tell the cops not to arrest you because you are on private property.

In this situation, it should have been handled better and differently.

One if not more of the hospitals is in Lafayette. They can legally require this and have done so in the past. And if a crime is not committed, the leo can be required to disarm themselves on such hospital private business or property. The majority of leo in the Lafayette area understand and respect the requirement. Those of them that have not learned the hard way, were promptly removed from the property and their supervisor notified immediately. This hospital's securtiy staff is not some flunky rent a cop securtiy staff and are taken seriously.

AustinBR · Sep 13, 2017

MOTOR51 said:
Where I work most of the nurses we deal with are related or married to other officers lol

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Oh please, I bet you don't know anything about how cops have to handle themselves in a hospital or private property situation :mamoru:

MOTOR51 · Sep 13, 2017

Firearmfanatic said:
One if not more of the hospitals is in Lafayette. They can legally require this and have done so in the past. And if a crime is not committed, the leo can be required to disarm themselves on such hospital private business or property. The majority of leo in the Lafayette area understand and respect the requirement. Those of them that have not learned the hard way, were promptly removed from the property and their supervisor notified immediately. This hospital's securtiy staff is not some flunky rent a cop securtiy staff and are taken seriously.

So basically you are trying to word your answer so you aren’t wrong. Simple question, does this phantom hospital with seal team six security disarm the police when they are there on official business?

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AustinBR · Sep 13, 2017

Firearmfanatic said:
One if not more of the hospitals is in Lafayette. They can legally require this and have done so in the past. And if a crime is not committed, the leo can be required to disarm themselves on such hospital private business or property. The majority of leo in the Lafayette area understand and respect the requirement. Those of them that have not learned the hard way, were promptly removed from the property and their supervisor notified immediately. This hospital's securtiy staff is not some flunky rent a cop securtiy staff and are taken seriously.

Which hospital in Lafayette?

How do you know they have done so in the past?

So you are referring to cops who are NOT there on official, police business? I don't think that is what we are referring to...but I still don't believe that the hospital would ask a uniformed officer to disarm themselves or leave. But please provide the name of the hospital.

bigtattoo79 · Sep 13, 2017

Firearmfanatic said:
Yep, private business and private property. They make the rules and regs about what can and can not occur on their property. I know of one such hospital that actually forces any leo to de-arm themselves by either leaving the weapon in their vehicle or a lock box at the entrance to the hospital before being allowed to enter the hospital. Either they de-arm or they are refused entry into the hospital and are escorted to their vehicle in the parking lot and then escourted of the premises by hospital security.

Firearmfanatic said:
One if not more of the hospitals is in Lafayette. They can legally require this and have done so in the past. And if a crime is not committed, the leo can be required to disarm themselves on such hospital private business or property. The majority of leo in the Lafayette area understand and respect the requirement. Those of them that have not learned the hard way, were promptly removed from the property and their supervisor notified immediately. This hospital's securtiy staff is not some flunky rent a cop securtiy staff and are taken seriously.

Sorry but I see 2 totally different statements by you.

Firearmfanatic · Sep 13, 2017

AustinBR said:
If a LEO is performing duties necessary and relevant to his job, a business cannot ask him to leave. The same goes with private personal property (your home). If a cop is telling you that he is coming into your house for a justified legal reason, you cannot use private property as an excuse to prevent that.

Patients have rights under HIPPA. But they also lose many of those rights if they commit an act that justifies a LEO to perform their governmental duties.

They do not lose those rights of Hippa, the hospital is required by law to protect the patients rights under Hippa. Hippa has nothing to do with acts or non acts of crimes. Do some more studying up on Hippa.

dantheman said:
I think there are a lot of us that are interested in knowing the name of this facility .

There are 4 major hospitals in Lafayette with a few other minor surgery centers and clinics. Visit each and every one of them and you would surely be likely to find out. While doing my paramedic clinicals at 3 or the 4, I quickly found out how and why the security works at each.

MOTOR51 said:
Well as you stated your wife was an expert my wife is also an expert in the medical field. She is actually an instructor so I have the hippa thing under control. Are you going to give us the name of this hospital?

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Nope, find the name of them yourself. My wife is an expert in the medical legal dept of one of those hospitals and the parent corporation that owns that hospital. So, I guess she legally advises instructors and other employees of what is expected and what is legally a no-no!

bigtattoo79 · Sep 13, 2017

MOTOR51 said:
Those crickets you hear is what happens when your wife has been telling you what to type and then she gets busy and you go at it alone lol

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That's funny in a way but do you really think his wife would approve of his post on this matter "for a few reasons"?

MOTOR51 · Sep 13, 2017

Firearmfanatic said:
They do not lose those rights of Hippa, the hospital is required by law to protect the patients rights under Hippa. Hippa has nothing to do with acts or non acts of crimes. Do some more studying up on Hippa.

There are 4 major hospitals in Lafayette with a few other minor surgery centers and clinics. Visit each and every one of them and you would surely be likely to find out. While doing my paramedic clinicals at 3 or the 4, I quickly found out how and why the security works at each.

Nope, find the name of them yourself. My wife is an expert in the medical legal dept of one of those hospitals and the parent corporation that owns that hospital. So, I guess she legally advises instructors and other employees of what is expected and what is legally a no-no!

Oh, so you can’t give the names because your wife works there. Is this some Jason Bourne ****? Im sure if they are doing this and you’ve witnessed it the it’s not too secret. I could have almost typed that excuse for you. So from now on I know to take what you say with a grain of salt.

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MOTOR51 · Sep 13, 2017

So basically they ask LEO to disarm if they are there to visit someone. There are places like this and that is ok and their right, kind of silly but ok.

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MOTOR51 · Sep 13, 2017

bigtattoo79 said:
That's funny in a way but do you really think his wife would approve of his post on this matter "for a few reasons"?

True

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