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  • FORman

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    What words are you amazed I said? I never said if I was happy or unhappy the GG stepped up. I never said if I agreed or disagreed with the GG's actions. I simply asked some questions to continue what seems to be a civil discussion devoid of personal attacks. I offered my observations based on the perspective from which I viewed the video.

    Sometimes the truth can be funny. Thanks!
     

    Sig220

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    The GG got stabbed in the deal, if I remember 4 or 6 staples to close the wound.

    As for as the BG, I don't give a flip what happened to him once he put others in fear of their lives. The "lawsuit" should be disposed of with prejudice and then proceed with the trial of the BG. If the GG would have capped the BG when he pulled up to the counter with a "gun" in one hand and a knife in the other, I would shed no tears for the BG.
     

    340six

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    If the threat is still there, "in full force" what else could a person do?
    Keep fighting or give-in
     
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    And here is a perfect example of what is wrong with the leo of today.

    I remember when the police was happy the GG was involved and helped others from dying.Now they just want yu to call them so they can take
    45 minutes to get there to say,oh the BG left already.Sure we will keep
    an eye out for him.Sorry the 3 dead people had to die for nothing.

    What happened to the good ol days of GG helping out others to not die.
    I'm just amazedat the words that come out of leo today.Most are helpful,but some ,such as this are just a nusense to society.\

    Maybe instead of make america great again,maybe say.Bring America back again!!!!

    Why make a new account SlowHand? They let you keep the old one. Are you back off your meds again?
     

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    So feel free to ignore my posts if you don't like them or don't agree with them or don't agree with something that was never said in them. Otherwise, I accept your apology for jumping to conclusions and we can go back to the civil discussion.

    Just ignore the guy. He is literally mentally ill. Not sure why he made this new account, his other one is still active.
     

    Deerslayer440

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    In my opinion, the BG was a threat because the GG was detaining him. So does a civilian have any legal limits on how far he can go to detain someone who he has observed committing a crime? And does it matter if the crime was a misdemeanor or a felony?

    SO let me get this straight.Your an LEO? And you have no idea of the law
    detaining anyone as a civilian? Hmmm But your not liable for any
    wrong decisions you make as leo.But yet the civilian is.Wow

    I guess they just train you guys different than leo up north:(
    And to say does it matter if its a mis or felony/ Are you serious?

    Keep digging your hole.You have no idea who I am or where I'm from.
    No idea who slowhand or anyone else is on this forum.I joined when I
    moved back here from NY.
     

    thperez1972

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    If the threat is still there, "in full force" what else could a person do?
    Keep fighting or give-in

    Never give in if the threat is still there. My question is this: is the guy is a threat if he's fighting to leave but is being held there. To draw a comparison, we get calls of someone trespassing and then we're told security is holding him at the location. If the guy is not being allowed to leave, is he trespassing?
     

    thperez1972

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    If the GG would have capped the BG when he pulled up to the counter with a "gun" in one hand and a knife in the other, I would shed no tears for the BG.

    Yes, he would have immediately stopped the threat using the same force the direct victim would have been legally allowed to use with a handgun pointed at her. Although that's just the opinion of a southern cop who has not learned California law. Perhaps the resident expert in the laws from all 50 states, slowhand or firearmfanatic part 2 or whatever he wants to call himself, could post a more accurate response.
     

    AustinBR

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    In my opinion, the BG was a threat because the GG was detaining him. So does a civilian have any legal limits on how far he can go to detain someone who he has observed committing a crime? And does it matter if the crime was a misdemeanor or a felony?

    SO let me get this straight.Your an LEO? And you have no idea of the law
    detaining anyone as a civilian? Hmmm But your not liable for any
    wrong decisions you make as leo.But yet the civilian is.Wow

    I guess they just train you guys different than leo up north:(
    And to say does it matter if its a mis or felony/ Are you serious?

    Keep digging your hole.You have no idea who I am or where I'm from.
    No idea who slowhand or anyone else is on this forum.I joined when I
    moved back here from NY.

    I don't think he ever stated that a civilian cannot detain someone. Civilians certainly can detain someone, but as I mentioned above, there are definitely limitations as we don't carry handcuffs around.

    Why are you attacking the dude and making so many judgements when he is just trying to pose the opposite side of the argument as food for thought? Take a looksie over the rules again and look at personal attacks please.

    Austin
     

    Deerslayer440

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    thperez1972 said" n my opinion, the BG was a threat because the GG was detaining him. So does a civilian have any legal limits on how far he can go to detain someone who he has observed committing a crime? And does it matter if the crime was a misdemeanor or a felony?

    He basically said he has no idea of laws or regulations in society.He also stated " Does it matter mis or felony.

    This guy is an leo,he should kNOW!!!!!!!!!!!

    I am not personally attacking anyone.I am just calling out a bad seed and bad
    information from non compliant leo towards everyday common laws.

    He chose too come on a forum and give his opinion,an leo opinion at that.
    I don't see others really saying anything different than me.Maybe they
    see my point more than ,apparently the staff.

    \If we are not going to address the problems within the depts.How are
    we suppose to fix them?Maybe that is what you should be asking.

    And for the record.I actually do carry cuffs 24/7:)

    I will not be posting anymore on this discussion,you are just trolling
    me now.
     

    thperez1972

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    thperez1972 said" n my opinion, the BG was a threat because the GG was detaining him. So does a civilian have any legal limits on how far he can go to detain someone who he has observed committing a crime? And does it matter if the crime was a misdemeanor or a felony?

    He basically said he has no idea of laws or regulations in society.He also stated " Does it matter mis or felony.

    This guy is an leo,he should kNOW!!!!!!!!!!!

    I am not personally attacking anyone.I am just calling out a bad seed and bad
    information from non compliant leo towards everyday common laws.

    He chose too come on a forum and give his opinion,an leo opinion at that.
    I don't see others really saying anything different than me.Maybe they
    see my point more than ,apparently the staff.

    \If we are not going to address the problems within the depts.How are
    we suppose to fix them?Maybe that is what you should be asking.

    And for the record.I actually do carry cuffs 24/7:)

    I will not be posting anymore on this discussion,you are just trolling
    me now.

    Based on my one and only viewing of the video, the BG tried to leave the location from the moment he was confronted. If that is indeed the case, then the threat to the GG came from the GG detaining the BG. That is a personal observation devoid of any opinion regarding if the GG acted legally or appropriately.

    Then I asked some questions. Asking a question does not mean the person does not know the answer. A cop who has done any sort of investigating should know a question is a way to keep the conversation going. You're making the assumption I do not know the answer. You made that perfectly clear when you added "basically" in your justification above. You also said I've given out bad information but didn't mention what the bad information was.

    First it was that I wasn't happy the GG stepped in. You must have realized you read something I didn't write because you changed it to that I basically said I didn't know the law and that I gave out bad information. I don't care if you read my posts again. You want to find fault with what I've posted so you will find it, even if it is not there. The fact you have changed your argument has demonstrated that. So reply or don't reply. Realize your mistakes or don't. I don't care either way. That's why there's no question in this reply. I don't care if this aspect of the discussion continues.
     

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    24/7. He basically says he carries them in the shower. Do you suppose he wears a belt in the shower? I'm going to go with yes on that. I'd rather not try to imagine where he carries them if he doesn't wear a belt in the shower.

    You cannot win this argument. In his mind he has already won and humiliated you. He really is mentally ill. He seriously makes ****-house rats seem "well adjusted". Pointing out any flaws in his argument or statement will lead nowhere. I honestly would not be surprised to find out that he indeed has handcuffs within reach while he is in the shower.

    He's off his meds. His spelling and punctuation gets progressively worse as he becomes more manic.
     

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    You cannot win this argument. In his mind he has already won and humiliated you. He really is mentally ill. He seriously makes ****-house rats seem "well adjusted". Pointing out any flaws in his argument or statement will lead nowhere. I honestly would not be surprised to find out that he indeed has handcuffs within reach while he is in the shower.

    He's off his meds. His spelling and punctuation gets progressively worse as he becomes more manic.

    It is almost as if someone tried to be a LEO but didn’t make it so now he hates LEOs. Or maybe he is what we call a “holster sniffer”. Whatever he is I really don’t see how he makes the site any better.


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    It is almost as if someone tried to be a LEO but didn’t make it so now he hates LEOs. Or maybe he is what we call a *holster sniffer*. Whatever he is I really don’t see how he makes the site any better.

    Impossible to keep out unfortunately. At some point, someone addresses his med issues in real life and forces him to return to being med compliant and he goes dark for a few months. Eventually you just get used to him. What does worry me is that this account has i-trader feedback on it....
     

    thperez1972

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    You cannot win this argument. In his mind he has already won and humiliated you. He really is mentally ill. He seriously makes ****-house rats seem "well adjusted". Pointing out any flaws in his argument or statement will lead nowhere. I honestly would not be surprised to find out that he indeed has handcuffs within reach while he is in the shower.

    He's off his meds. His spelling and punctuation gets progressively worse as he becomes more manic.

    I know he has already made up his mind. My post may bother him enough to where he posts something. That means I win. Or he sticks to his guns and doesn't post in this thread. That's still a win for me.
     

    enigmedic

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    Lay off him guys, we are just dumb southerners. He came all the way here after being exiled from NY to save us from ourselves; we should be grateful. Prior to his arrival we didn't cook our food, bury our dead, or wipe our asses. You mock his time spent in a shower stall, but it is the only refuge where "the voices" stop and the black helicopters' spy gear are defeated. It is apparent that those helos zap brain cells, causing people to use words like "nusense."

    Note to critics: Your credibility goes up exponentially when you can read and write. Why attack anyone who's looking to contribute to the site? We don't have enough of a battle with Antifa, socialists, and yo-yo liberals trying to rewrite history? Now this clown wants to berate one of our own? I thought there was supposed to be some degree of fraternity here...
     
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    enigmedic

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    Score one for the good guys! The cowardly clerk reminded me of the 1980's horror movies where the husband is engaged in mortal hand-to-hand combat and the wife just stands there crying, next to a dropped gun.
     
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