Shooter in Las Vegas

DaSouthernYankee · Oct 4, 2017

enigmedic said:
It was a Hi-Rise commercial building, i.e. 2'x 8-10'x 1/2" thick glass, between 300-400 lbs a piece. Yeah they can be replaced. With a tripod, suspended scaffold, freight elevator, and 3 or 4 glaziers, LOL. These are not residential plate glass windows.

So 2 big guys to hold the window and someone else to remove and reapply adhesives, etc. Doesn’t sound impossible to me.

Tho honestly it is all speculation as no one is going there to investigate this possibility, the MSM won’t bring it up and they are known liars. So why believe anything they are telling us now?

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krotsman · Oct 4, 2017

DaSouthernYankee said:
So 2 big guys to hold the window and someone else to remove and reapply adhesives, etc. Doesn’t sound impossible to me.

Tho honestly it is all speculation as no one is going there to investigate this possibility, the MSM won’t bring it up and they are known liars. So why believe anything they are telling us now?

Possible, mayyyybe. Probable, absolutely not. Other people in nearby rooms would have heard noises, people on the ground would be much more likely to notice a missing window on the 4th floor, as opposed to 30 stories up, smoke alarms go off from the smoke, etc...

oppsImissed · Oct 4, 2017

Just saw pics from inside shooters room. ATF says 12 bumpfire stocks. But the pics shown looked like normal Magpul stocks. I hate when media gets it wrong

bravo3 · Oct 4, 2017

Another interesting find.
https://i.redd.it/gz6d4fvs9tpz.png

Yeah... I checked up... it's registered as he describes...

http://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N5343M

Registration History
25-May-2007 PADDOCK STEPHEN C MESQUITE TX
02-Jun-2006 PADDOCK STEPHEN C HENDERSON NV

Deerslayer440 · Oct 4, 2017

He had money,of course he knew big people and ran with money people.
That is more than likely why no one really noticed.Rich people pretty
well get to do what they want.

I remember them saying at first ,there was a woman with him in his room.
They even called her his roomie.Where did that go?

And yes I agree,some one should have heard that 1/2 inch - 3/4 inch
glass hit the ground.A bum in the alley,some one.Also there had to be
other people in the hotel seeing him bring up suitcases and guns,come on.

The reason people are not saying anything is because .people nowadays
have their head up their azz or their phones azz.Basically no one GAS
weather anyone else is around,dead,or going to rob them.

On an average only 1 person in 72 actually look up above 10ft in their
surroundings.

John_ · Oct 4, 2017

Deerslayer440 said:
He had money,of course he knew big people and ran with money people.
That is more than likely why no one really noticed.Rich people pretty
well get to do what they want.

And yes I agree,some one should have heard that 1/2 inch - 3/4 inch
glass hit the ground.A bum in the alley,some one.Also there had to be
other people in the hotel seeing him bring up suitcases and guns,come on.

The reason people are not saying anything is because .people nowadays
have their head up their azz or their phones azz.Basically no one GAS
weather anyone else is around,dead,or going to rob them.

On an average only 1 person in 72 actually look up above 10ft in their
surroundings.

You guys really over complicate, over analyze these things. There was a freakin concert going on 900 feet away...read pretty LOUD. And the perp knocks out the 2 windows and starts shooting within maybe a minute. So what if somebody on the ground possibly heard or saw the windows busted out. Hell, somebody may have been injured by the falling glass! Not enough lead time to make a difference. Next thing you know, lots of rifle fire to the concert grounds. There was a Iraq war veteran two floors below the perp who recognized the gunfire, and where it was coming from more or less. Got on his cell pronto.

Whether anyone heard or saw windows being busted out doesn't make a darned difference in the big picture. Even if he lolly gags, might have been 2 or 3 minutes max after the windows are busted out, he's laying down heavy fire. Probably had all his weapons/ammo/mags laid out beforehand.

krotsman · Oct 4, 2017

John_ said:
You guys really over complicate, over analyze these things. There was a freakin concert going on 900 feet away...read pretty LOUD. And the perp knocks out the 2 windows and starts shooting within maybe a minute. So what if somebody on the ground possibly heard or saw the windows busted out. Hell, somebody may have been injured by the falling glass! Not enough lead time to make a difference. Next thing you know, lots of rifle fire to the concert grounds. There was a Iraq war veteran two floors below the perp who recognized the gunfire, and where it was coming from more or less. Got on his cell pronto.

Whether anyone heard or saw windows being busted out doesn't make a darned difference in the big picture. Even if he lolly gags, might have been 2 or 3 minutes max after the windows are busted out, he's laying down heavy fire. Probably had all his weapons/ammo/mags laid out beforehand.

Absolutely. He had at least 12 ARs with SlideFires on them. Obviously, he did that so he could grab, shoot, drop, grab, shoot, drop... He didn't even want to take the time to drop and load a magazine. He had fat mags, more than 30 rounders, so he laid down 600-1000 rounds in less than a minute. Then maybe he slammed some new mags in and kept going.

If the response time to his floor would have been 5-10 minutes, he still would have been able to lay down a couple of thousand rounds.

And he wasn't shooting fish in a barrel, he was shooting water in a barrel...

kingfhb · Oct 4, 2017

krotsman said:
Absolutely. He had at least 12 ARs with SlideFires on them. Obviously, he did that so he could grab, shoot, drop, grab, shoot, drop... He didn't even want to take the time to drop and load a magazine. He had fat mags, more than 30 rounders, so he laid down 600-1000 rounds in less than a minute. Then maybe he slammed some new mags in and kept going.

If the response time to his floor would have been 5-10 minutes, he still would have been able to lay down a couple of thousand rounds.

And he wasn't shooting fish in a barrel, he was shooting water in a barrel...

Until the official report of what weapons/modifications he used, I won't speculate... however from the actual photos... he had at least one DD AR (unless it was just the upper or even the stereo-typical DD flash hider) with a slide-fire stock. That particular AR also had an EOTECH optic (not really for precision shooting) and a Surefire 100 round magazine in it... (again, he wasn't going for precision... like mentioned above... water in a barrel) there are a number of mags stacked neatly against the wall, however, they look like 30 rounders (but i could be wrong since the surefire would resemble a metal 30 rounder with a wider base-plate). The only other rifle shown was also a DD, but I would guess (from the size of the magazine) it was a .308 with a bipod and a scope (No Slide-Fire Stock). Now, the Daniel Defense stocks do look different than other stocks on the market and they may be confusing them... but like I said, without seeing pictures of the other weapons used, I wouldn't say EVERY ONE of them had the slidefire stock.

If he was proficient enough with the firearms, and the magazines were all Surefire 100 rounders (which do have somewhat of a jamming reputation), he could have easily reloaded several times and got off many more rounds. Luckily this didn't happen or he wasn't as proficient as he could have been. Chances are he switched to the .308 BECAUSE the slidefire jammed and it was the first one he grabbed. In that kind of a high stress situation, who knows what was going through his head?

It was all senseless... he should have eaten a bullet himself before he even picked up the first rifle. All the news media and talk he is getting IS EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTED!!! Unless he owned a lot of stock in SLIDEFIRE that he wanted to leave to his kids... because the cost of slidefire stocks have QUADRUPLED OVERNIGHT!

Just my 2 cents.

krotsman · Oct 4, 2017

kingfhb said:
without seeing pictures of the other weapons used, I wouldn't say EVERY ONE of them had the slidefire stock.

Going from ATF release. They said 12 slidefires, so I am, of course, making some assumptions.

John_ · Oct 4, 2017

I just read an article on line and according to an accurate timeline, perp was firing for approx 15-17 minutes. That's a LOT of rounds at a massive target mass. No one person, just a sea of people. There were ~ 20,000 people at the concert. His range to targets was 350-450 yards.

340six · Oct 4, 2017

Magdump said:
Wonder how much that $100 bump fire will go for tomorrow....

just to see i looked at Gun Broker looks like 300 plus average is 300

machinedrummer · Oct 4, 2017

What if they outlaw them and make owners turn them in. Deem them an NFA item. $200 stamp and paperwork?

Metryshooter · Oct 4, 2017

Seems like the guy was trying to make a point with the number of firearms he had with him.

340six · Oct 4, 2017

I looked at all 33 min of the brother. He's a Pecan.................

MTregre · Oct 4, 2017

All this 4th floor shooter talk and some of you are even rationalizing glass being replaced in super secret and super fast...

The nearly none of the 4th floor has line of sight on the target area.

Gator 45/70 · Oct 4, 2017

340six said:
just to see i looked at Gun Broker looks like 300 plus average is 300

Like this?

For 300.00 I would sell it!

340six · Oct 4, 2017

Gator 45/70 said:
Like this?

For 300.00 I would sell it!

And some with 499 buy it now

Gator 45/70 · Oct 4, 2017

340six said:
And some with 499 buy it now

Your right! I'm way light on my price!

MOTOR51 · Oct 4, 2017

MTregre said:
All this 4th floor shooter talk and some of you are even rationalizing glass being replaced in super secret and super fast...

The nearly none of the 4th floor has line of sight on the target area.

Think about this for a second. Conspiracy theorist want you to believe that 20,000+ people, 100’s of law enforcement, workers at the concert, music artist and more are all conspiring to keep the story secret. It surely can’t be the media just not interviewing the numerous people that would have had to see these phantom shooters just like the numerous people saw the shooter on the 32nd floor. The media would love nothing more than to catch the government in a lie. Also, Las Vegas has to have more security cameras than any other place I have ever been to so I guess you can include casino security personnel that would have to keep quiet. Let’s not forget that the people that were at the crime scene couldn’t even keep a few damn cell phone pics to themselves without leaking them to the media for a little cash. Let’s not even get into the amount of people in New York that would have all had to keep quiet about something shady going on with 9/11. If you have ever been involved in a major incident involving masses of people you know how many different accounts you will get just from peoples adrenaline and how the mind perceives things. Come on people, they are already taking about tightening the rules on having guns so I wouldn’t be openly making myself look crazy on the internet.

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CBlack · Oct 4, 2017

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