Denied Louisiana concealed carry license

nolaboy · Oct 29, 2017

Deerslayer440 said:
The $250 is for a lifetime permit.

And as far as remembering every time he or she was arrested
maybe a lot to remember.

I have forgotten a few things from when I was 18-27.

I'm just saying,crap happens,you forget.If a person has to pay
that much for something you would think they could look up a
few records that would take a whole 10 minutes out of their
day..

But I see,they want you to do alll the work and pay your hard
earned money so they can have an easy day and not have to
get off their fat a$$ and do nothing.Don't sound fair to me,but
whatever.

I use to do a little pi work.I guess I should have had the payee
to get me all the information I needed and I could have just
sat around and played solitaire on my computer

I'll just leave this link here.

http://dpsweb.dps.louisiana.go...68625747f0075124d?OpenDocument

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thperez1972 · Oct 29, 2017

nolaboy said:
I'll just leave this link here.

http://dpsweb.dps.louisiana.go...68625747f0075124d?OpenDocument

The link does not appear to be working for me.

nolaboy · Oct 29, 2017

thperez1972 said:
The link does not appear to be working for me.

http://dpsweb.dps.louisiana.gov/lspfaqs.nsf/ConcealedHandguns

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DBMJR1 · Oct 29, 2017

swampfoxx said:
I posted this in the other thread:

Prior to applying for my CHL, I went to LSP and paid for a background check ($15 I think). It turned up a misdemeanor from 1971 on my record that had been Article 894'd. I then went to the courthouse and paid for the adjudication documents (about $10) and included them with my application. No problem. I had forgotten all about it, so the extra $25 paid off for me.

Most helpful post on this topic I've seen yet. I'll call the LSP tomorrow. I was arrested as a teen for having a defaced driver's license, it got wet on a tubing trip. I wasn't sure if that was covered under minor traffic violations.

I'll get the report, and proceed from there.

Barry J · Oct 29, 2017

Deerslayer440 said:
The $250 is for a lifetime permit.

And as far as remembering every time he or she was arrested
maybe a lot to remember.

I have forgotten a few things from when I was 18-27.

I'm just saying,crap happens,you forget.If a person has to pay
that much for something you would think they could look up a
few records that would take a whole 10 minutes out of their
day..

But I see,they want you to do alll the work and pay your hard
earned money so they can have an easy day and not have to
get off their fat a$$ and do nothing.Don't sound fair to me,but
whatever.

I use to do a little pi work.I guess I should have had the payee
to get me all the information I needed and I could have just
sat around and played solitaire on my computer

We should be able to call LSP and give them your name, then they would do all the paperwork and background checks and get your permit to you in a couple hours.

Deerslayer440 · Oct 29, 2017

I get you guys are all on the same team and
would never say the people your working for
are wrong!!

But lazy and being non accountable is BS in my book.

I have to look up everything on everyone that walks
in to my office.Jut imagine my biz not surviving because
im too lazy to get off my a$$ and do it.

Q. I called the clerk of court to get the disposition but the
court said I have no record, what do I do?

A. Some old convictions (20+ years) may not be on file. However,
you must at least obtain a letter from the clerk of court stating
no record, dismissed, or nolle prosse and submit the certified
true copies of all arrest or summons with your application.

Real Life Answer:,Sure let me fly to Alaska and get that paper work considering
most clerk of courts don't give out information without you being
present to show identification

.

Q. Where do I get a copy of my arrest disposition?

A. The records may be obtained from the Clerk of Court or District
Attorney of the parish in which the arrest or prosecution occurred.
If you were charged with a violation of a municipal ordinance, the
disposition may be obtained from the City Clerk of Court or City
Prosecutor.

Real Life Answer:,Sure let me fly to Alaska and get that paper work considering
most clerk of courts don't give out information without you being
present to show identification

Q. I was given an expungement for a criminal offense. I was told that
this was now off my record. Do I still have to list an arrest or
conviction that has been expunged?

A. Yes. The term expungement means removal from public record. However,
a record will always be kept for law enforcement purposes. If you have
been given an expungement for an arrest or conviction, you must still
list this information and supply the necessary documentation.

Real Life Answer: Wait,you mean I can get records that are actually
only intended for LE purposes only? Hmmmmmmm and LE has the only
records availible a tthier touch of a screen,but yet they cant look at
that information after I pay them $250

Q. Can I get my money back if my application is not approved?

A. No, this administrative fee is non-refundable.

REAL LIFE ANSWER: Yea that all seems fair and simple to do.We
should all be running and doing at least 2 weeks worth of work to
get a permit.Im headed to the bank now!!!!!

I'm just saying,you guys ,even on this forum are always promoting
CCW.You would think everyone would be making it easier to get if
it is such a good idea.

I also want to add,Ive never been arrested or jailed in my life.I
could,well maybe,get a CCW without incident.But even to me,
with no crimes ,sounds like more work than most would want to
do,Maybe the CCW crowd would grow if it were made simplier and
easier by the LSP.Just a thought

Deerslayer440 · Oct 29, 2017

Barry J said:
We should be able to call LSP and give them your name, then they would do all the paperwork and background checks and get your permit to you in a couple hours.

Your getting closer lol

No im not saying that easy.Giving your name,SSN,DL,,Birth Cert. fingerprints,,etc.
should suffice.And maybe not a couple of hours,maybe 4-6 weeks like every
gov agency in the world.

Im mean,think of it like this.

You are driving 78 in a 70.You get pulled over.The officer takes your DL and
runs it for OW, past history,etc. Oh wait did I say past history the officer can
see on a 18inch monitor in his police car in the middle of no where,yet an LSP
that is sitting at a desk,with the same information and more available to him at
the touch of a finger wont do it,but that's fair?.

Yea your right,we should do alllll the work!!!

nolaboy · Oct 29, 2017

Deerslayer440 said:
I get you guys are all on the same team and
would never say the people your working for
are wrong!!

But lazy and being non accountable is BS in my book.

I have to look up everything on everyone that walks
in to my office.Jut imagine my biz not surviving because
im too lazy to get off my a$$ and do it.

Q. I called the clerk of court to get the disposition but the
court said I have no record, what do I do?

A. Some old convictions (20+ years) may not be on file. However,
you must at least obtain a letter from the clerk of court stating
no record, dismissed, or nolle prosse and submit the certified
true copies of all arrest or summons with your application.

Real Life Answer:,Sure let me fly to Alaska and get that paper work considering
most clerk of courts don't give out information without you being
present to show identification

.

Q. Where do I get a copy of my arrest disposition?

A. The records may be obtained from the Clerk of Court or District
Attorney of the parish in which the arrest or prosecution occurred.
If you were charged with a violation of a municipal ordinance, the
disposition may be obtained from the City Clerk of Court or City
Prosecutor.

Real Life Answer:,Sure let me fly to Alaska and get that paper work considering
most clerk of courts don't give out information without you being
present to show identification

Q. I was given an expungement for a criminal offense. I was told that
this was now off my record. Do I still have to list an arrest or
conviction that has been expunged?

A. Yes. The term expungement means removal from public record. However,
a record will always be kept for law enforcement purposes. If you have
been given an expungement for an arrest or conviction, you must still
list this information and supply the necessary documentation.

Real Life Answer: Wait,you mean I can get records that are actually
only intended for LE purposes only? Hmmmmmmm and LE has the only
records availible a tthier touch of a screen,but yet they cant look at
that information after I pay them $250

Q. Can I get my money back if my application is not approved?

A. No, this administrative fee is non-refundable.

REAL LIFE ANSWER: Yea that all seems fair and simple to do.We
should all be running and doing at least 2 weeks worth of work to
get a permit.Im headed to the bank now!!!!!

I'm just saying,you guys ,even on this forum are always promoting
CCW.You would think everyone would be making it easier to get if
it is such a good idea.

I also want to add,Ive never been arrested or jailed in my life.I
could,well maybe,get a CCW without incident.But even to me,
with no crimes ,sounds like more work than most would want to
do,Maybe the CCW crowd would grow if it were made simplier and
easier by the LSP.Just a thought

I assure you I am on no ones "team", if anything I have been ostracized on BS. I was convicted of a felony 16 years ago (see BS thread on expungements), had my rights restored, had the charges expunged under 44:9 and 893'd. However, I read understood and followed the instructions as they pertain to my situation before submitting the application, and I was issued a permit.

Sincerely, you might want to rethink carrying a firearm if the chp application instructions are too difficult to follow.

I was just trying to help you.... Didn't you ask for insight?

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Deerslayer440 · Oct 29, 2017

nolaboy said:
I assure you I am on no ones "team", if anything I have been ostracized on BS. I was convicted of a felony 16 years ago (see BS thread on expungements), had my rights restored, had the charges expunged under 44:9 and 893'd. However, I read understood and followed the instructions as they pertain to my situation before submitting the application, and I was issued a permit.

Sincerely, you might want to rethink carrying a firearm if the chp application instructions are too difficult to follow.

I was just trying to help you.... Didn't you ask for insight?

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I could never rethink anything of the sort.I will always have a firearm on
my side on my farm,period.I use my firearm for purposes in was intended for.
Killing things that eat on my produce,,animals,livestock,etc.I am within my
rights.

And I wasn't bewildering you in any way.I appreciate the insight,sir

The people I spoke of,know who they are,as most of the rest of us
know who they are

I am just stating a point that getting a CCW should be a bit easier.
Im glad you took the 2 weeks out of your time to get your CCW
Wahoooo

I will however not be doing so,as I need my 2 weeks to feed my
calves,cows,,horses,etc.. so I can help feed my family and America
the best I can

Good day and thank you again sir for the information.

bigtattoo79 · Oct 29, 2017

Deerslayer440 said:
I get you guys are all on the same team and
would never say the people your working for
are wrong!!

But lazy and being non accountable is BS in my book.

I have to look up everything on everyone that walks
in to my office.Jut imagine my biz not surviving because
im too lazy to get off my a$$ and do it.

Q. I called the clerk of court to get the disposition but the
court said I have no record, what do I do?

A. Some old convictions (20+ years) may not be on file. However,
you must at least obtain a letter from the clerk of court stating
no record, dismissed, or nolle prosse and submit the certified
true copies of all arrest or summons with your application.

Real Life Answer:,Sure let me fly to Alaska and get that paper work considering
most clerk of courts don't give out information without you being
present to show identification

.

Q. Where do I get a copy of my arrest disposition?

A. The records may be obtained from the Clerk of Court or District
Attorney of the parish in which the arrest or prosecution occurred.
If you were charged with a violation of a municipal ordinance, the
disposition may be obtained from the City Clerk of Court or City
Prosecutor.

Real Life Answer:,Sure let me fly to Alaska and get that paper work considering
most clerk of courts don't give out information without you being
present to show identification

Q. I was given an expungement for a criminal offense. I was told that
this was now off my record. Do I still have to list an arrest or
conviction that has been expunged?

A. Yes. The term expungement means removal from public record. However,
a record will always be kept for law enforcement purposes. If you have
been given an expungement for an arrest or conviction, you must still
list this information and supply the necessary documentation.

Real Life Answer: Wait,you mean I can get records that are actually
only intended for LE purposes only? Hmmmmmmm and LE has the only
records availible a tthier touch of a screen,but yet they cant look at
that information after I pay them $250

Q. Can I get my money back if my application is not approved?

A. No, this administrative fee is non-refundable.

REAL LIFE ANSWER: Yea that all seems fair and simple to do.We
should all be running and doing at least 2 weeks worth of work to
get a permit.Im headed to the bank now!!!!!

I'm just saying,you guys ,even on this forum are always promoting
CCW.You would think everyone would be making it easier to get if
it is such a good idea.

I also want to add,Ive never been arrested or jailed in my life.I
could,well maybe,get a CCW without incident.But even to me,
with no crimes ,sounds like more work than most would want to
do,Maybe the CCW crowd would grow if it were made simplier and
easier by the LSP.Just a thought

There are many times that people get PTI programs and the disposition is never updated to show that the program was completed (not LSPs fault).

Also LSP cannot see “some” dispositions as “some” courts only have final dispositions on paper file in the clerk of courts office (not LSPs fault).

nolaboy · Oct 29, 2017

Deerslayer440 said:
I could never rethink anything of the sort.I will always have a firearm on
my side on my farm,period.I use my firearm for purposes in was intended for.
Killing things that eat on my produce,,animals,livestock,etc.I am within my
rights.

And I wasn't bewildering you in any way.I appreciate the insight,sir
The people I spoke of,know who they are,as most of the rest of us
know who they are

I am just stating a point that getting a CCW should be a bit easier.
Im glad you took the 2 weeks out of your time to get your CCW
Wahoooo

I will however not be doing so,as I need my 2 weeks to feed my
calves,cows,,horses,etc.. so I can help feed my family and America
the best I can

Good day and thank you again sir for the information.

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thperez1972 · Oct 29, 2017

Deerslayer440 said:
Your getting closer lol

No im not saying that easy.Giving your name,SSN,DL,,Birth Cert. fingerprints,,etc.
should suffice.And maybe not a couple of hours,maybe 4-6 weeks like every
gov agency in the world.

Im mean,think of it like this.

You are driving 78 in a 70.You get pulled over.The officer takes your DL and
runs it for OW, past history,etc. Oh wait did I say past history the officer can
see on a 18inch monitor in his police car in the middle of no where,yet an LSP
that is sitting at a desk,with the same information and more available to him at
the touch of a finger wont do it,but that's fair?.

Yea your right,we should do alllll the work!!!

Again, the information that pops up on the monitor may not show all of the outcomes. It does not matter if that monitor is in the police car or on a desk. When someone is fingerprinted at an AFIS machine, an entry is made on their rap sheet. Unless the courts send a letter to LSP at the conclusion of a court case, whether it be a dismissal, a plea to a reduced charge, a guilty verdict, or whatever, there will be no disposition added to the rap sheet. So nobody, not even the cop who runs your history on the side of the road, will know what resulted from the charge. All they will know is when you were arrested, by whom, and for what.

Below are 3 different entries from a rap sheets. They are actual entries with any identifying information removed. Let's say you worked for LSP and you ran the history of 3 applicants and got the below results. Based on the information, which would be what would pop up on your monitor, could you determine if any or all of the applicants would be allowed to be issued a permit?

Applicant 1:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ARREST DATE: ##/##/2012
AGENCY: EAST BATON ROUGE, LA SO (A#######)
NAME: @@@@@@, @@@@@@ @
LID: ######
CCH ATN: #######
CHARGE 1 COUNTS 1
R.S. 14:68 UNAUTHORIZED USE OF A MOVABLE [F] [40,000.00]
DISPOSITION: ##-##-12; PG; ##-##-12; SENT: 893, 5 YRS ASP W/ CONDS.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Applicant 2:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ARREST DATE: ##/##/2014
AGENCY: BATON ROUGE, LA PD (LA#######)
NAME: @@@@@@, @@@@@@ @
CHARGE 1 COUNTS 1
R.S. 14:37 AGGRAVATED ASSAULT
CHARGE 2 COUNTS 1
DISTURBING THE PEACE (FIGHT)
CHARGE 3 COUNTS 2
R.S. 14:108 RESISTING AN OFFICER
LID: #####
CCH ATN: #######
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Applicant 3:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ARREST DATE: ##/##/2013
AGENCY: EAST BATON ROUGE, LA SO (LA#######)
NAME: @@@@@@, @@@@@@ @
CHARGE 1 COUNTS 1
R.S. 14:62 SIMPLE BURGLARY
DISPOSITION: ##/##/14 DISMISSED
CHARGE 2 COUNTS 1
R.S. 14:67(FELONY) THEFT
DISPOSITION: ##/##/14 NO BILL
CHARGE 3 COUNTS 1
R.S. 14:67.3(FELONY) UNAUTHORIZED USE OF ACCESS CARD AS
DISPOSITION: ##/##/14 NO BILL
LID: ########
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

AustinBR · Oct 29, 2017

Deerslayer440 said:
Your getting closer lol

No im not saying that easy.Giving your name,SSN,DL,,Birth Cert. fingerprints,,etc.
should suffice.And maybe not a couple of hours,maybe 4-6 weeks like every
gov agency in the world.

Im mean,think of it like this.

You are driving 78 in a 70.You get pulled over.The officer takes your DL and
runs it for OW, past history,etc. Oh wait did I say past history the officer can
see on a 18inch monitor in his police car in the middle of no where,yet an LSP
that is sitting at a desk,with the same information and more available to him at
the touch of a finger wont do it,but that's fair?.

Yea your right,we should do alllll the work!!!

The state does not have the time or manpower to research in-depth details of every single person that applies for a CHL. The information that is displayed when querying someone's details does not show the results of arrests, especially old arrests or arrests in different states from different courts, on different systems. The duty is on the applicant to supply all relevant information in order to have the privilege of receiving a CHL in the state of Louisiana.

The process was SUPER easy for me as I have never been arrested. Honestly, in my opinion it was a bit too easy. The test was a joke and the shooting "test" is stupid. Seriously if a competent shooter is blindfolded, that shooting qualification would still be passable.

For people that have been arrested, it is more difficult and I am very okay with that. As the motto goes, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Now I know some people have been arrested on mistake and that is very unfortunate, but that is certainly not the majority.

Deerslayer440 said:
I get you guys are all on the same team and
would never say the people your working for
are wrong!!

But lazy and being non accountable is BS in my book.

I have to look up everything on everyone that walks
in to my office.Jut imagine my biz not surviving because
im too lazy to get off my a$$ and do it.

Q. Can I get my money back if my application is not approved?

A. No, this administrative fee is non-refundable.

REAL LIFE ANSWER: Yea that all seems fair and simple to do.We
should all be running and doing at least 2 weeks worth of work to
get a permit.Im headed to the bank now!!!!!

I'm just saying,you guys ,even on this forum are always promoting
CCW.You would think everyone would be making it easier to get if
it is such a good idea.

I also want to add,Ive never been arrested or jailed in my life.I
could,well maybe,get a CCW without incident.But even to me,
with no crimes ,sounds like more work than most would want to
do,Maybe the CCW crowd would grow if it were made simplier and
easier by the LSP.Just a thought

1) What do you do?

2) How is LSP lazy and not accountable?

3) CCW = Concealed Carry Weapon / CHP = Concealed Handgun Permit
(What you carry) / (The permit allowing you to carry it)

4) Why should it be easier? The current process is pretty damn easy already.

charlie12 · Oct 30, 2017

And it's a CHP not any of those other damn letters thrown together. If you pay to go to a 8 hour CHP class, fill out all that CHP paper work, pay to go get finger prints done. And then pay LSP for the CHP and you don't know the proper name. I would take my CCW and shoot myself.

swampfoxx · Oct 30, 2017

No im not saying that easy.Giving your name,SSN,DL,,Birth Cert. fingerprints,,etc.
should suffice.And maybe not a couple of hours,maybe 4-6 weeks like every
gov agency in the world.

It took me about 15 minutes at LSP HQ to get fingerprinted, and have my "rap sheet" printed out. BTW - This does not count as your fingerprints for the CHP (go figure). It took about 30 minutes at the courthouse as they had to locate the big book (ledger sized and about 4" thick) from that day/week in BR city court, and make copies. Was it a PITA? Yes. But if I had not done this, I would be in your shoes.

charlie12 · Oct 30, 2017

swampfoxx said:
It took me about 15 minutes at LSP HQ to get fingerprinted, and have my "rap sheet" printed out. BTW - This does not count as your fingerprints for the CHP (go figure). It took about 30 minutes at the courthouse as they had to locate the big book (ledger sized and about 4" thick) from that day/week in BR city court, and make copies. Was it a PITA? Yes. But if I had not done this, I would be in your shoes.

You did some good work. But I wonder why the prints LSP did wouldn't work for your CHP?

swampfoxx · Oct 30, 2017

Beats me. I went back to the same office and the same woman took them again for the CHP.

Vermiform · Oct 30, 2017

Deerslayer440 = Slowhand = BAT **** CRAZY TROLL

Quit feeding him.

Deerslayer440 · Oct 31, 2017

Vermiform said:
Deerslayer440 = Slowhand = BAT **** CRAZY TROLL

Quit feeding him.

Wow so its ok for high admins to say crap to members,
but members are to SFU unless spoken too.

This feels like the national anthem at NFL game all over

I still have no idea of who slowhyand is,if you knew who
I was ,you would be showing me respect.But thats ok,
keep messing with what members you have left and Im
sure your little forum will come to its demise soon enough.

Oh and I did work with Mr gates for many years,so My ip
must be the same ,correct?

Maybe your the DA BS Crazy MOFO...

And I'm sure soon as any admin sees this,they will be
removing this message because ,we wouldn't want to
let people know,kids hiding behind their puters

AustinBR · Oct 31, 2017

Deerslayer440 said:
Wow so its ok for high admins to say crap to members,
but members are to SFU unless spoken too.

This feels like the national anthem at NFL game all over

I still have no idea of who slowhyand is,if you knew who
I was ,you would be showing me respect.But thats ok,
keep messing with what members you have left and Im
sure your little forum will come to its demise soon enough.

Oh and I did work with Mr gates for many years,so My ip
must be the same ,correct?

Maybe your the DA BS Crazy MOFO...

And I'm sure soon as any admin sees this,they will be
removing this message because ,we wouldn't want to
let people know,kids hiding behind their puters

What admins said crap to members?

I'm so confused.

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