HB 200: Repeals the prohibition on ... certain knives and similar instruments

krotsman · Apr 10, 2018

What holster method should I use for open carry?
That is a personal preference. However be advised that if you do not have a concealed carry permit you are at an increased risk of a criminal charge if your carry method can be construed as having been intended to conceal or obscure your weapon. It is often suggested that a quality retention style holster be used whenever possible when Open Carrying.

If you "open carry" using a traditionally concealed carry holster (say IWB with your shirt tucked in behind it) you are at a greater risk for a LEO to detain you for a conceal carry violation, since you could easily conceal the weapon. It's a hassle you wouldn't want to deal with, so open carry with an appropriate OWB multi retention holster.

krotsman · Apr 10, 2018

nolaradio said:
Would you consider a pistol carried in an OWB holster, with your shirt tucked in as to not cover it, concealed? After all, it would be visible, right? Most would consider this open carry.

It wasn't until a couple of years ago that you could have been arrested for carrying concealed in this situation in Mississippi if you didn't have a concealed handgun permit.

If you are using an OWB holster with your shirt tucked in behind it, that is the definition of open carry. There is absolutely no way that could be construed as concealed. Did you mean IWB holster?

charlie12 · Apr 10, 2018

krotsman said:
If you are using an OWB holster with your shirt tucked in behind it, that is the definition of open carry. There is absolutely no way that could be construed as concealed. Did you mean IWB holster?

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nolaradio · Apr 10, 2018

krotsman said:
If you are using an OWB holster with your shirt tucked in behind it, that is the definition of open carry. There is absolutely no way that could be construed as concealed. Did you mean IWB holster?

Charlie12 beat me to it. But yes, I meant what I typed, OWB holster, not an IWB hoster.

In Mississippi, it didn't matter how much of the pistol was visible outside of the holster. The fact that any of the pistol was concealed by the holster could get you charged with illegally concealing a weapon if you did not have a permit to do so. The laws were changed there within the last three years if I remember correctly. You can look it up for yourself, I'm at work and don't have the time right now. But when the law changed and made what we in Louisiana call open carry legal in Mississippi, everyone freaked out like they normally do. That's also when you saw a bunch of businesses start to post signs that no firearms were allowed, openly carried or concealed.

leadslinger972 · Apr 10, 2018

nolaradio said:
Would you consider a pistol carried in an OWB holster, with your shirt tucked in as to not cover it, concealed? After all, it would be visible, right? Most would consider this open carry.

It wasn't until a couple of years ago that you could have been arrested for carrying concealed in this situation in Mississippi if you didn't have a concealed handgun permit.

I don't live in Mississippi, so I don't care about their laws.

If you were carrying IWB with your shirt tucked behind it, that is open carry.

krotsman · Apr 10, 2018

nolaradio said:
Charlie12 beat me to it. But yes, I meant what I typed, OWB holster, not an IWB hoster.

In Mississippi, it didn't matter how much of the pistol was visible outside of the holster. The fact that any of the pistol was concealed by the holster could get you charged with illegally concealing a weapon if you did not have a permit to do so. The laws were changed there within the last three years if I remember correctly. You can look it up for yourself, I'm at work and don't have the time right now. But when the law changed and made what we in Louisiana call open carry legal in Mississippi, everyone freaked out like they normally do. That's also when you saw a bunch of businesses start to post signs that no firearms were allowed, openly carried or concealed.

So, in MS, open carry meant that it had to be in your hand or hanging from a chain at your belt, because the holster hid the weapon?

nolaradio · Apr 10, 2018

Sounds like a valid defense if you ever pass through the state and get pulled over for speeding. "Sorry officer, I don't live in this state and don't care about your laws".

My question to you wasn't meant to argue about what is and isn't open carry it concealed carry. I just wanted to point out how it was determined a few years ago in Mississippi and that there, it wasn't as easy as you put it: "If it's visible, it's not concealed."

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charlie12 · Apr 10, 2018

nolaradio said:
Charlie12 beat me to it. But yes, I meant what I typed, OWB holster, not an IWB hoster.

In Mississippi, it didn't matter how much of the pistol was visible outside of the holster. The fact that any of the pistol was concealed by the holster could get you charged with illegally concealing a weapon if you did not have a permit to do so. The laws were changed there within the last three years if I remember correctly. You can look it up for yourself, I'm at work and don't have the time right now. But when the law changed and made what we in Louisiana call open carry legal in Mississippi, everyone freaked out like they normally do. That's also when you saw a bunch of businesses start to post signs that no firearms were allowed, openly carried or concealed.

Yep I go to Miss quite often and since they pushed the OC crap now there are a lot of no gun signs at places where they weren't before.

paddle007 · Apr 10, 2018

Does the MS no firearms business signage carry the weight of the law or is it like Louisiana?

leadslinger972 · Apr 10, 2018

nolaradio said:
Sounds like a valid defense if you ever pass through the state and get pulled over for speeding. "Sorry officer, I don't live in this state and don't care about your laws".

My question to you wasn't meant to argue about what is and isn't open carry it concealed carry. I just wanted to point out how it was determined a few years ago in Mississippi and that there, it wasn't as easy as you put it: "If it's visible, it's not concealed."

Sent from the Bayou Bunker Command Center, Portable Unit #33, FEMA Region 6.

I have a concealed handgun permit. I don't care about their laws unless they drop reciprocity.

XD-GEM · Apr 11, 2018

krotsman said:
So, in MS, open carry meant that it had to be in your hand or hanging from a chain at your belt, because the holster hid the weapon?

There was a whacked out court decision that said if any part of the gun was concealed, then all of it was concealed - it used the example of a gun carried by tying a piece of string to it. Because of a lot of effort, the MS concealed laws are among the most lenient now; and OC is legally defined, but a significant number of senior LEOs persuaded a lot of businesses to post the no gun signs.

I haven't been there in awhile, but I was told that the same folks who worked for the legal revisions are trying to convince the businesses to drop the signs.

krotsman · Apr 11, 2018

XD-GEM said:
There was a whacked out court decision that said if any part of the gun was concealed, then all of it was concealed - it used the example of a gun carried by tying a piece of string to it. Because of a lot of effort, the MS concealed laws are among the most lenient now; and OC is legally defined, but a significant number of senior LEOs persuaded a lot of businesses to post the no gun signs.

I haven't been there in awhile, but I was told that the same folks who worked for the legal revisions are trying to convince the businesses to drop the signs.

Nice to know that LA laws aren't always the most stupid! :bravo:

mukwah · Apr 13, 2018

Looks like the Bill passed the House vote and is headed to Senate vote next. Looks good so far.

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mukwah · May 1, 2018

Just got this info from Knife Rights today.
Looks like it's going to make it!

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Robhic · May 10, 2018

It's official, the knife rights bill passed: http://tinyurl.com/ydbjgbo5

mukwah · May 10, 2018

Do we have to wait for him to sign it or is it a done deal?

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charlie12 · May 10, 2018

mukwah said:
Do we have to wait for him to sign it or is it a done deal?

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It might be one of those deals where it goes in effect Aug. 1 or Jan 1 Someone will know on here

Tboy · May 10, 2018

It looks like it was changed to HB892 and it hasn’t been sent to the Gov yet for signature.

http://www.legis.la.gov/legis/BillInfo.aspx?i=234817

mukwah · May 10, 2018

Looks like it's almost there. Keep us posted if anyone gets any info.

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Tboy · May 14, 2018

Current Status: Sent to Governor

HB 200: Repeals the prohibition on ... certain knives and similar instruments

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