Signs and the weight of law AGAIN!

leadslinger972 · May 17, 2018

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herohog · May 17, 2018

leadslinger972 said:
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nolaradio · May 17, 2018

Several posts in this thread have stated that if you conceal carry into a business that has a sign prohibiting such, that if caught you will be arrested and charged.
Not sure if this is an easier to answer question than "do signs have the force of law", but... what would you be charged with?
Trespassing? Even if you left? Or illegal carrying of a weapon?

leadslinger972 · May 17, 2018

nolaradio said:
Several posts in this thread have stated that if you conceal carry into a business that has a sign prohibiting such, that if caught you will be arrested and charged.
Not sure if this is an easier to answer question than "do signs have the force of law", but... what would you be charged with?
Trespassing? Even if you left? Or illegal carrying of a weapon?

The charge would be...

Well... I don't know what the charge would be, because there is no case law on the matter.

geoney · May 17, 2018

nolaradio said:
Several posts in this thread have stated that if you conceal carry into a business that has a sign prohibiting such, that if caught you will be arrested and charged.
Not sure if this is an easier to answer question than "do signs have the force of law", but... what would you be charged with?
Trespassing? Even if you left? Or illegal carrying of a weapon?

The argument is typically that it is a form of trespassing in the same way that disobeying a "no shirt, no shoes, no service" COULD be. Now, that will almost never happen unless you "earn" that charge through your attitude. 99/100 times, if you leave when told to, it falls into the "no harm no foul" bucket.

Now... you stay and start arguing, then you definitely are tress-passing by remaining after being forbidden, and you will likely catch a charge for that if it has gotten to the point that the cops were called after you were told to leave and you are still there.

Barry J · May 18, 2018

I would be more worried about the registered letter I would receive in the mail informing me that my permit has been revoked. Don't need case law for that, it is a civil procedure.

Blue Diamond · May 18, 2018

leadslinger972 said:
The charge would be...

Well... I don't know what the charge would be, because there is no case law on the matter.

You could possibly start with criminal trespass. Any time a crime is commited and a firearm is involved you get an automatic upgrade.

leadslinger972 · May 18, 2018

Blue Diamond said:
You could possibly start with criminal trespass. Any time a crime is commited and a firearm is involved you get an automatic upgrade.

For not seeing a sign? Sure...

machinedrummer · May 18, 2018

If a law was passed to require all who have a ccw on their person wear a ccw badge on a lanyard around their neck to alert any store owners that might object to it should clear things up. No more need for signs. I can’t believe the politicians haven’t thought of this yet.

leadslinger972 · May 18, 2018

machinedrummer said:
If a law was passed to require all who have a ccw on their person wear a ccw badge on a lanyard around their neck to alert any store owners that might object to it should clear things up. No more need for signs. I can’t believe the politicians haven’t thought of this yet.

I'm sure the derps would love it. A badge of honor, m'lady.

machinedrummer · May 18, 2018

Especially the pretty gold ones that glow in the dark.

Tboy · May 18, 2018

machinedrummer said:
If a law was passed to require all who have a ccw on their person wear a ccw badge on a lanyard around their neck to alert any store owners that might object to it should clear things up. No more need for signs. I can’t believe the politicians haven’t thought of this yet.

I wear mine on my waist. 12 O’clock front and center. I had it made into a belt buckle so it’s always there and I never forget it.

charlie12 · May 18, 2018

Like this guy?

thperez1972 · May 18, 2018

Blue Diamond said:
You could possibly start with criminal trespass. Any time a crime is commited and a firearm is involved you get an automatic upgrade.

I have a pretty good grasp on the laws on the books, especially Title 14 of the Louisiana Revised Statutes. I'm fairly certain there's no Aggravated Criminal Trespass on the books.

thperez1972 · May 18, 2018

Barry J said:
I would be more worried about the registered letter I would receive in the mail informing me that my permit has been revoked. Don't need case law for that, it is a civil procedure.

Without some sort of criminal action, how would State Police know about an incident in order to initiate the civil procedure and send out the registered letter?

geoney · May 18, 2018

Blue Diamond said:
You could possibly start with criminal trespass. Any time a crime is commited and a firearm is involved you get an automatic upgrade.

You mean like a Super-size? Please post a link to the statute where I can learn more about deez "auto-upgrades." Are they really auto, or are they like fully semi-auto upgrades?

leadslinger972 · May 19, 2018

geoney said:
You mean like a Super-size? Please post a link to the statute where I can learn more about deez "auto-upgrades." Are they really auto, or are they like fully semi-auto upgrades?

It's under the Revised Statute that covers tin foil and neck hair.

Shonsu · May 23, 2018

Interesting thread. I've always wondered about this and I always check doors when I'm going into a store while carrying. Doesn't this part of the code have bearing on this discussion: "reasonably expected to be seen"?

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