Trump is getting a little edgy about possibly being impeached....

I can’t stand Trump as a person, but there is no denying we are better off than where Bush and Obama has left us. As far as being the laughing stock of the world, when haven’t we been? It’s no secret our *friends* were just milking our blind generosity. We were that person who people pretended to like only to take advantage of them. At least Trump is forcing those countries to pay their fair share instead of buying their friendship with taxpayers money.

I’m still baffled that people thought a rich New Yorker would do anything to protect us. The only good thing I can see coming out of his presidency is the GOP SCOTUS nomination. The rest is a pure, unmitigated train wreck, and a train wreck that the Democrats will leverage.

Mike

CatCam said:

The truth is, while we profess to want honest leaders, what we really want are effective leaders, and sometimes lies are necessary evils if we want to get something accomplished.....

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Exactly. Sadly politics are no longer about effectivity, it's simply a partisan reality TV style popularity contest.

RaleighReloader said:

I’m still baffled that people thought a rich New Yorker would do anything to protect us. The only good thing I can see coming out of his presidency is the GOP SCOTUS nomination. The rest is a pure, unmitigated train wreck, and a train wreck that the Democrats will leverage.

Mike

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Absolutely. Once again Mike, we agree. Controlling the upcoming SCOTUS vacancies was my primary driver Nov 2016. I damned sure wasn't pulling that tiny lever for Clinton!

The Dems will clearly leverage recent events to influence the mid terms. Even many legislators in the Republican party are very disappointed in the Trump wreck and lack of credibility.

Trump even said in a news interview on television Cohen should not be allowed to flip, to provide evidence and testimony about their dealings to the DOJ. "it should be illegal"

The man is sick! A mental case. Our president stating in public Cohen should not help or aid the DOJ in their investigation. To be forthright, to provide testimony or evidence, if he chooses to.

Then Trump personally attacking Jeff Sessions on Twitter. You just cannot make up this chit! The President of the USA! Oh my!

John_ said:

Absolutely. Once again Mike, we agree. Controlling the upcoming SCOTUS vacancies was my primary driver Nov 2016. I damned sure wasn't pulling that tiny lever for Clinton!

The Dems will clearly leverage recent events to influence the mid terms. Even many legislators in the Republican party are very disappointed in the Trump wreck and lack of credibility.

Trump even said in a news interview on television Cohen should not be allowed to flip, to provide evidence and testimony about their dealings to the DOJ. "it should be illegal"

The man is sick! A mental case. Our president stating in public Cohen should not help or aid the DOJ in their investigation. To be forthright, to provide testimony or evidence, if he chooses to.

Then Trump personally attacking Jeff Sessions on Twitter. You just cannot make up this chit! The President of the USA! Oh my!

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It's attorney-client privelage. It exists so that you may speak freely with your attorney without fear that they'll testify against you. The grey area is that Cohen was involved.

RaleighReloader said:

I’m still baffled that people thought a rich New Yorker would do anything to protect us. The only good thing I can see coming out of his presidency is the GOP SCOTUS nomination. The rest is a pure, unmitigated train wreck, and a train wreck that the Democrats will leverage.

Mike

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But we had 2 rich New Yorkers running for POTUS. The other one was this gem:

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It's attorney-client privelage. It exists so that you may speak freely with your attorney without fear that they'll testify against you. The grey area is that Cohen was involved.

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So whats the excuse for Trump personally attacking Jeff Sessions, current AG?

Like firing the AG because he is investigating your former colleagues/associates? Because the AG is investigating Trump's possible involvement and lies?

Trump insinuating Session's days as AG may be numbered (yesterday): http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-trump-sessions-20180825-story.html

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It's attorney-client privelage. It exists so that you may speak freely with your attorney without fear that they'll testify against you. The grey area is that Cohen was involved.

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There are a number of exceptions to attorney/client privilege in most jurisdictions, chief among them: (pay close attention to #2)

1) the communication was made in the presence of individuals who were neither attorney nor client, or was disclosed to such individuals,
2) the communication was made for the purpose of committing a crime or tort,
3) the client has waived the privilege (for example by publicly disclosing the communication).


Cohen is facing possible prison time so he's willing to tell the truth/spill the beans on some of his business deals with Trump, especially if pertains to a criminal act planned and committed. No doubt hoping his information/testimony will reduce or relinquish his sentence.

If Trump has done nothing wrong, why is he worried? Why is he making comments that if he is impeached, the stock markets will crash?

Yesterday Trump's long time buddy at the National Enquirer David Pecker was granted immunity.

"Pecker, the CEO of American Media Inc., told federal prosecutors that Trump had knowledge of Cohen's payments to women who had alleged sexual encounters with him, sources familiar with the matter told CNN. Pecker also provided investigators with details about payments Cohen made to the women, the sources said."

I knew what I was voting for. A billionaire living in a bubble of sin. I wasn’t voting on a pastor. ALL of the right and left had their hands in his pockets for years. I’ve heard all my life people say *if I were president I would*, well he is doing what most said and they are still not happy. We have become way to politically correct and I’m sorry but not everyone deserves a trophy or a seat at the big table.

machinedrummer said:

I knew what I was voting for. A billionaire living in a bubble of sin. I wasn’t voting on a pastor. ALL of the right and left had their hands in his pockets for years. I’ve heard all my life people say *if I were president I would*, well he is doing what most said and they are still not happy. We have become way to politically correct and I’m sorry but not everyone deserves a trophy or a seat at the big table.

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Even Pinocchio.

John_ said:

Even Pinocchio.

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Sorry but I don’t get that response. Every time I vote I feel as if I’m in a port-o-potty no matter who is on the ballot. Trump wasn’t my first choice of the dirt bags but I was left with no option. With money and power comes corruption no matter how good your intentions are. Time will eventually show this is true with every one of them. Term limits will help clean some of the abuse up. We are fatally flawed humans and I know if I had that kind of power I would be tempted to use it and eventually abuse it. Maybe I’m the only on but....

*I do not know if the people of the United States would vote for superior men if they ran for office, but there can be no doubt that such men do not run.*
― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

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*I do not know if the people of the United States would vote for superior men if they ran for office, but there can be no doubt that such men do not run.*
― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

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That I believe.

CatCam said:

*I do not know if the people of the United States would vote for superior men if they ran for office, but there can be no doubt that such men do not run.*
― Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America

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Yes.

The problem with the last election wasn't Hillary versus Trump. Both were atrocious picks that should never have been allowed to run a neighborhood bale sale, much less the White House. The problem is that both parties have become a caricature of what they claim to represent, and in doing so they've alienated the broad middle ground that most people actually fall into. The Democrats have receded to the ultra-left quasi-socialist New York City elite, while the current GOP is some parody of extreme evangelism crossed with Jim Crow-style xenophobia. Really, the only thing up for debate (that was worth debating) in the last election was who did we want controlling the next Supreme Court vacancies. Either of the presidential candidates would have been a train wreck, and Trump has certainly fulfilled that prophecy.

Trump also feeds into the "screaming match" that politics has become (in fact, he elevates it into a fine art), and I think we all suffer for it. Screaming and insulting people is a sign of weakness; it signals that he has nothing of substance to say, which I very much believe to be true. This is part of the reason I completely divorced myself from social media in 2016; I was tired of having these screaming matches piped into my cell phone and laptop on a minute-by-minute basis.

The problem, of course, is that the Democrats will eventually have power, and I worry about the backlash against gun rights that this will represent (just as I worry about the current backlash against immigrants, African Americans, women and their reproductive rights, and just about everyone else that isn't a rich white male). The fight is coming, and it will make the 2013 post-Newtown gun gab look like a warm-up exercise.

Trump is doing very real damage to our country. Those that don't believe this have deluded themselves into the idea that he is "draining the swamp," which is silly since there are still 535 seats in Congress, one seat in the Oval Office, nine seats in SCOTUS, etc. Trump's "draining" was a swap of one set of rats with another set of rats.

I have seriously thought about writing to all of my elected representatives (Dems and Repubs alike) and telling them that none of them will be getting my vote in the fall, since both parties have abdicated their responsibilities to the American people. Of course, most politicians love apathy (they won't say that in public), but apathy means one less voter to contend with.

In short: I have no idea what I'll do in November.

Mike

I guess we have to ask ourselves which lever pull does the least damage.

Pull Demo, then the borders open, 2A gets shattered, and we cave in to all the special interest groups.
Pull Repub, then you get a Trump type person.

Since we have become a country that rules from the bench, I have to pull the lever for the best possible Supreme Court picks. Another Ginsberg or 2 is not good long term.

Magdump said:

you don’t wanna go there.. especially if you didn’t know for sure, like I did, that Trump would beat Hillary.

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Best bet I ever lost!

CatCam said:

I guess we have to ask ourselves which lever pull does the least damage.

Pull Demo, then the borders open, 2A gets shattered, and we cave in to all the special interest groups.
Pull Repub, then you get a Trump type person.

Since we have become a country that rules from the bench, I have to pull the lever for the best possible Supreme Court picks. Another Ginsberg or 2 is not good long term.

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wow. That about sums up my feelings

Trump has done a great deal of good for this country. If you don't see that you have blinders on, or you are a flaming anti-oil, anti manufacturing, anti-meat eating liberal. If you work in industry, especially oil, you have directly seen the benefit of deregulation, and are starting to reap a bit of prosperity. Lower taxes are better all around, because I get to keep more of my earned money in my pocket, and it relates to better retail numbers etc, due to people's tensions about their cash flow being eased a bit. Better trade deals are more beneficial to the US long term than the short term "trade wars" that bring the unfair traders to the negotiating tables. We have been living with trade deals that were meant to be renegotiated, and were expressly negotiated to be one sided after WW2, so the US could do their part in helping the war torn countries to rebuild their economies. That time has long since gone, and now we are being taken advantage of. I am all for be American, buy American. We need to bring back the steel, and manufacturing jobs, put the rust belt back to work. Let's get our oil and energy industries back on track, and make middle class a thing again. All these are things that can be done albeit a bit more environmentally conscious than they were before safely, better, and more profitably for all Americans.

Quite frankly I don't care what Trump does in his personal life, or how much he pays them. He hasn't done anything different than any other man in America at some point. Infidelity breaks up more marriages than anything else in the country. Prostitution is a thriving business, even legitimized in some places. Until someone can show that their moral compass is more on point than the next man, then they have no room to talk. I see a lot of hypocrisy now days. The issues that matter, and will make and keep America great are what Trump has been trying to focus on, and the media, and his opposition with their misdirection would have you hung up on stupid ****ing social issues that matter for naught. We are blind dumb sheep in America the country where what kind of commode the Kardashian's are pissing in is more important than how lopsided our trade has been with our trade partners, and where we live above our heads in debt, and we don't care what the payback is as long as we can make the note. I could keep going on, but hopefully the point has gotten across. TRUMP 2020

John_ said:

He says the stock market will crash if he is impeached. Trump wouldn't even make such a comment if he thought that was an impossibility (being impeached). All those lies just might haunt him. Things are fixing to get a wee bit crazy in DC.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-says-the-stock-market-will-crash-if-hes-impeached-2018-08-23

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In this same article, he framed that response very specifically: "He told the morning program that he expects that critics and adversaries will attempt to impeach him and that he is bracing for attempts to oust him from the Oval Office."

That's not fear, it's preparation for the worst - the same reason we arm ourselves with guns.

AMEN brother!