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  1. #1
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    Lest talk gun finishes here.

    So I am doing a bit of research on handgun finishes. Traditional hot tank bluing seems to have gone away completely, the older style like Colt and S&W used to apply. Polish the metal to a mirror finish then hot tank blue. Colt deep blue finish (from the 1970s, 1980s) was probably the best bluing finish I can recall. Seems I recall there was some negative EPA environmental aspects of hot bluing. Perhaps that is why it went away?

    Tenifer on the Glocks seems like an extremely durable finish. I purchased a used G22 gen 3 which was a LEO trade in and the tenifer finish was polished, almost gone in some smaller spots on the slide from holster wear. I found out from other posters here even tho the tenifer finish appears gone, polished away, the tenifer remains, still corrosion resistant. Just now i read that Tenifer and salt bath nitriding, or melonite, are the same finish.

    So I recently purchased a Canik PT9SFX made in Turkey. The slide is cerakoted, which from what I have read is subject to holster wear long term, and chipping. Why would anyone coat their slide in cerakote versus melonite? I guess for the color options available in cerakote. Melonite is way more durable, but def color limited.

    Perhaps cerakote is cheaper to apply? Spray and bake sort of deal. Must be cheaper that salt bath nitriding in manufacturing. Nitriding involves more metal prep, polishing, heated tanks, ect.

    Then there is hard chrome and nickel finishes. Extensive polishing of metal to a mirror finish, multiple plating tanks/steps. Clearly more labor intensive.

    Cerakote doesn't require that mirror like polishing. Light sandblasting for prep, spray on then bake to dry/harden finish. The cerakote finish has to be cheapest to apply.

    Robar has a NP3 finish that co-deposits sub-micron particles of PTFE or teflon. Gonna have to read up on this process.

    Ok, I know a lot of you out there have cerakoted pistols and ARs, how does it hold up? Does it chip long term? Experiences, good or bad?

    Encouraging discussion of firearms finishes/re-finishing here. Experiences, on your wish list. Refinishing you have done yourself (cold bluing perhaps), or had a vendor or shop apply.

    Any other options not mentioned above?

    Or your personal favorite?
    Last edited by John_; August 27th, 2018 at 05:43 PM.
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    My friends dad had a Dan Wesson .357 in a presentation box that had multiple barrels. It was a blued revolver. I tell you it was a thing of beauty. I love the old finishes. Stocks and Metal seemed to be works of art rather than whatever it’s called today.
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    All of my firearms are either blued or stainless steel. I have several long guns that I refinished in Duracoat. Long process but they have held up well. I also have a Charter Arms Pug in nitride finish. The shorty shotty is a Remington Wingmaster I picked up full of rust. Took it down to bare metal and refinished it with Duracoat.

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    Lots of places still do all kinds of blueing. I found this guy on the google: http://www.willisarms.com/hot-bluing/ Met this guy and toured his shop (might have a long turn around, but does great work: https://tylergunworks.com/bluing

    A lot of the newer finishes are pretty durable, I prefer blued. Just looks better to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by machinedrummer View Post
    My friends dad had a Dan Wesson .357 in a presentation box that had multiple barrels. It was a blued revolver. I tell you it was a thing of beauty. I love the old finishes. Stocks and Metal seemed to be works of art rather than whatever it’s called today.
    Dan Wesson is another that had that rich deep mirror finish bluing way back, similar to Colt. They just don't make me like that anymore. Like the Colt Python royal blue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mukwah View Post
    All of my firearms are either blued or stainless steel. I have several long guns that I refinished in Duracoat. Long process but they have held up well. I also have a Charter Arms Pug in nitride finish. The shorty shotty is a Remington Wingmaster I picked up full of rust. Took it down to bare metal and refinished it with Duracoat.



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    I don't own a single blued weapon any more. SS yes, nitrided yes, anodized yes, cerakote yes. Oh and parkerized too. I dream I still owned a Python in royal blue.

    Nice work on the Wingmaster.
    Last edited by John_; August 27th, 2018 at 07:44 PM.
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    Look up arts gun shop. They do restorations.....like restamp roll marks and match the bluing formula to the serial number production date restorations. Amazing work. Its who winchester refers people to from what I have heard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rcm192 View Post
    Look up arts gun shop. They do restorations.....like restamp roll marks and match the bluing formula to the serial number production date restorations. Amazing work. Its who winchester refers people to from what I have heard.
    Wow, just watched a video of his "rode hard and put up wet" Browning A5 restoration. Art Isaacson, the guy is a master restorer and refinisher.
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    You could just do the CZ way... Thick black paint... Lol... I really need to refinish my P01...
    Motorcycles and guns, how fun....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sportsbud View Post
    You could just do the CZ way... Thick black paint... Lol... I really need to refinish my P01...
    Yes, I just purchased my first CZ. S2, it has black polycoat on the lower, slide is nitrided (smooth polished black finish). CZ polycoat I believe is same as cerakote. CZ states the S2 lower is phosphated, then polycoated.

    From CZ USA - Q and A page:
    Black polycoat is an electrostaticly-applied powder coating that is then oven cured to a hard shell. The coating is applied over a phosphate finish which is very corrosion resistant in itself, the parts are then racked, given a negative charge and sprayed. This charged attraction literally draws the coating to the parts, reducing overspray. The parts are cured in an oven, producing a tough finish that meets Mil. Spec.

    http://cz-usa.com/support/faq/

    The black polycoat on my CZ lower is smooth as a baby's behind. A satin black finish.
    Last edited by John_; August 28th, 2018 at 07:22 AM.
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