Condition one. Or not?

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  • wcweir3

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    No one will post a good argument here to carrying without a round in the chamber because such an argument does not exist. A gun without a round in the chamber is useless until a round can be put in the chamber. Time is precious and there will never be enough in instances where a weapon will be needed. Additionally, you are shorting yourself a round if not carrying in the chamber.

    Time is of the essence if you need to defend yourself or your love ones don't give the bad guy that time.
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    Magdump

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    The only argument I can post here (Always carry with a round chambered btw) is you HONESTLY couldn't find one post about this?????? There must be a million!!
    You doubt me bro? Found a couple threads about open carry that posed the question but not concealed every day. A post and a thread, 2 different things.
    A million? Really??????
     
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    Trailboss

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    SIG 229 - Locked and loaded, hammer down, SA/DA and no thumb safety (I guess this is condition 2?)

    1911 - Condition 1

    I'm not sure if Jeff Cooper invented the terms, but he did make them widely known. I'm not sure all the respondents are aware of the definitions, and some other writers have modified them slightly. These are the definitions as per Jeff Cooper.

    Condition 4: Chamber empty, empty magazine, hammer down.
    Condition 3: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down.
    Condition 2: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down.
    Condition 1: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on.
    Condition 0: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.
     

    LaBelle

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    I'm not sure if Jeff Cooper invented the terms, but he did make them widely known. I'm not sure all the respondents are aware of the definitions, and some other writers have modified them slightly. These are the definitions as per Jeff Cooper.

    Condition 4: Chamber empty, empty magazine, hammer down.
    Condition 3: Chamber empty, full magazine in place, hammer down.
    Condition 2: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer down.
    Condition 1: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety on.
    Condition 0: A round chambered, full magazine in place, hammer cocked, safety off.


    My set up; S&W Shield, loaded chamber, mag topped off and this model has no external safety (and no hammer - striker-fired).

    I guess I carry in Condition 0.5? :D
     

    jtj5002

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    I would personally consider a chambered striker fired gun somewhere between condition 1 and 2. Some strikers are only half cocked while others are full cocked so it depends on which gun. Trigger is my safety on a striker gun.
     

    Trailboss

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    My set up; S&W Shield, loaded chamber, mag topped off and this model has no external safety (and no hammer - striker-fired).
    I guess I carry in Condition 0.5? :D

    For DAO pistols, IMO Condition 2 doesn't really exist since you can't cock the hammer without pulling the trigger. With a 6-7lb trigger, I'd consider the Shield a DAO. I also thought it had a trigger safety if it has no thumb safety? If so, it would be Cond 1 until you put your finger on the trigger, which would push it to Cond 0.
     

    frhunter13

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    Depends on the pistol If you carry ready to fire you better have one with a blocking bar. If not, then you drop the pistol it likely to fire. I carry a revolver now with NO bullet under the hammer. When I carried a 45 Auto it was carried on half cock. To fire I had to pull the hammer the rest of the way. Some 45's don't even have a half cock OR a blocking bar. So, beware.
     

    frhunter13

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    Rule 1 for cleaning is Remove All Ammunition from the Firearm and take it to another room before cleaning.

    Nope. Rule 1: Never point the gun at anyone or anything you are not willing or wanting to shoot. Or at least in a safe direction when handling. All other rules come after that one. Eventhe act of unloading can be disastrous if you ignore rule 1.
     

    bigtattoo79

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    Depends on the pistol If you carry ready to fire you better have one with a blocking bar. If not, then you drop the pistol it likely to fire. I carry a revolver now with NO bullet under the hammer. When I carried a 45 Auto it was carried on half cock. To fire I had to pull the hammer the rest of the way. Some 45's don't even have a half cock OR a blocking bar. So, beware.

    I’m at a lost......
     

    JBP55

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    Nope. Rule 1: Never point the gun at anyone or anything you are not willing or wanting to shoot. Or at least in a safe direction when handling. All other rules come after that one. Eventhe act of unloading can be disastrous if you ignore rule 1.

    My statement was Rule #1 For Cleaning which should be easy enough for most to understand.
     
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