Stolen Valor??? Please comment......I'm bothered

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  • drill sgt

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    In 1996 started riding motorcycles with the Patriot Guard Riders for Honor Guard Escorts for veterans and 1st responders. Welcome home/deployment for individuals or entire units also as a Honor Guard Escort for funerals for veterans. At the funeral home and after arrival at grave site would wear my Drill Sgt. (Smokey Bear) hat. You have understand my white beard about 1 1/2inch long and white ponytail 1/2 way down shoulder blades . Had quiet a few veterans get up in my face about the headgear. When I would reply that I had worn it every day for 3yrs at FT. Sill, Okla. and had the D/S badge on my vest and had a DD214 to prove it and they could try and take it from me at which time they would retreat . Also flew a 3ft/5ft flag on back of bike and she flew proudly. Now back to the stolen valor subject which I strongly support . What gets under my skin is when people claim to be combat vets / purple heart / bronze star -silver star /Medal of Honor / etc. .. My belief is if you earned it that is ok but if not you should be ashamed and possible legal action should be taken if you tried to use or used it for personal gain. ..........................................................................drill sgt.
     
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    From the Forum Rules:
    I loved our mechanics. (Figuratively, not literally. I wasn't in the Navy.) They helped us out a lot. They eagerly did a bit of our "operator level maintenance" after our missions like changing tires or track treads so we could get some downtime after a 24 hour mission. Their reasoning was they didn't have to go get shot at so they were glad to help.

    Re: "I loved our mechanics. (Figuratively, not literally. I wasn't in the Navy.)"
    Interesting that I only hear these kind of silly comments from grunts and ground pounders. Why would thinking of a fellow service member in a sexual context even enter a normal mind? I served in the Navy for 4 years and never met a homosexual (other than a couple of lesbians). Carry on, soldier. Thank you for your service.
     

    thperez1972

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    From the Forum Rules:
    I loved our mechanics. (Figuratively, not literally. I wasn't in the Navy.) They helped us out a lot. They eagerly did a bit of our "operator level maintenance" after our missions like changing tires or track treads so we could get some downtime after a 24 hour mission. Their reasoning was they didn't have to go get shot at so they were glad to help.

    Re: "I loved our mechanics. (Figuratively, not literally. I wasn't in the Navy.)"
    Interesting that I only hear these kind of silly comments from grunts and ground pounders. Why would thinking of a fellow service member in a sexual context even enter a normal mind? I served in the Navy for 4 years and never met a homosexual (other than a couple of lesbians). Carry on, soldier. Thank you for your service.

    Most of the people I served with didn’t have “a normal mind.” They had a darker sense of humor and certainly weren’t bothered by some jokes between services. But you felt the need to isolate that throw away joke after 7 months so I’m guessing your sense of humor must be pretty vanilla. And that’s alright. It takes all kinds.


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    krotsman

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    He says that he is enjoying life after serving 22 years. Here is a link to all that is interested and you might recognize him. He needs to be brought to justice.

    https://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=64871

    I can't get to the link. Is it still up? I met him a few years ago buying something from him. It was a good transaction. He was pretty talkative, like you said, but just chalked it up to him talking to another vet, so I didn't think much of it. I hope he's not "that guy".
     

    krotsman

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    Most of the people I served with didn’t have *a normal mind.* They had a darker sense of humor and certainly weren’t bothered by some jokes between services. But you felt the need to isolate that throw away joke after 7 months so I’m guessing your sense of humor must be pretty vanilla. And that’s alright. It takes all kinds.

    HA! SAME:dogkeke:
     

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    Most of the people I served with didn’t have *a normal mind.* They had a darker sense of humor and certainly weren’t bothered by some jokes between services. But you felt the need to isolate that throw away joke after 7 months so I’m guessing your sense of humor must be pretty vanilla. And that’s alright. It takes all kinds.


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    i agree. I was Navy. A lot of my friends now are Marines/Army/ and/or LEO. They all cracked jokes until they found out my rate in the Navy.... (AO) or Aviation Ordinanceman. Basically I worked with the big stuff that fell from aircraft and blew **** up.
     
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    Most of the people I served with didn’t have “a normal mind.” They had a darker sense of humor and certainly weren’t bothered by some jokes between services. But you felt the need to isolate that throw away joke after 7 months so I’m guessing your sense of humor must be pretty vanilla. And that’s alright. It takes all kinds.


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    Roger that. Carry on, soldier.
     

    Bosco

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    I work with a guy who did something like this. He was outted on sniperforums back in 2014 and someone told them all where he worked. A bunch of people reached out to the HR department about him hoping that he would be fired but nothing came of it. He still works there and nobody seems to have lost any respect for him. I'm glad I don't work in the same building as him or else I'd probably be the one who would get fired by telling him what a piece of **** he is every time I saw him.

    Edit to mean not someone who actually served, someone who made up a ton of ******** and was just a scumbag getting help from others claiming PTSD and I don't think served a day. And not going to post the link out in public cuz I still work there and I don't need to get in trouble for doxxing him.
     
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    Rocko68

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    I was never in the military, but I can tell you that it would be political and social suicide in the private sector to claim that one was, say, a Vice President of something-or-other when one had only actually earned the title of Manager. If I knew that someone had lied on a resume, I would throw it in the garbage without a second thought. And if I knew one of my friends was lying like this ... I'd be rethinking that friendship.

    I know that "stolen valor" has a certain legal meaning and I can't comment on that ... but I don't have time in my life for liars, whether they were in the military or the private sector or otherwise.

    Mike

    Agreed, there is no respect in claiming what you didn't earn, especially because of what others gave in order to.
     

    StephenC

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    I don't know what "Stolen Valor" actually constitutes. I think they overturned a lot of the Bush era laws about it and the only real protected award is the Medal of Honor. However, if this "service" was used to defraud an entity: the govt, business or individual... the liar can be held liable. In the case of lying to a government entity, this would be a felony I'm pretty sure. I'm not going to go into my background in the service. i did more than most and I'm proud of it, but a less than a lot which I'll always wish I did more. But I was infantry and I was in WLC (was PLDC before and I don't know what it is now), and I told all of those ****ing POGs this: "If you're a cook, don't be ashamed. Say I'm the best cook in the army. If you're a mechanic, say I'm the best mechanic in the army. If you're commo, say I'm the best comms guy in the army. But under no circumstances say 'I'm basically infantry.' Because I am. And I PMCS my vics, prep my own MREs and fill my own radios but I don't go around saying that I'm basically a cook/mechanic/commo/infantry. It's all the same job. Take what you do/did and own it." Someone who lies about a tab or a badge is no better than those hollywood clowns and thats what they are. Clowns in their clownsuits, acting like they are that person.
     
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