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    JR1572

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    I come into contact with dogs a lot at work. I’ve made it over 20 years without shooting a dog. I’ve noticed there is a rather large chunk of the population that have a completely unreasonable fear of dogs. Same with snakes.

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    CatCam

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    I actually thought it was going to be the other thread that spiraled out of control into LEO hate. Can I put $5 on this one bringing the ban hammer?

    I hope it doesn't bring the BH -- I had 2 reasons for the post of this thread;
    1. To show the incident.....
    2. The main reason was to start a discussion about what would be a proper response from the homeowner.


    One thing I have learned from the many CCW classes that I have attended -- every scenario is different. Take these scenarios and think about what your reaction would be. In this case it was a dog....But what if the police walks up and shoots your child who startled him? Are you justified to return fire at that point? Is your life in danger? What if it was a bad shot and he lowers his weapon, do you still shoot? (Obviously not, but in a fit of rage it may happen). As I stated on an earlier post, it is instances like this that could make a good citizen make some really bad decisions. Bad Stuff.

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    I hope it doesn't bring the BH -- I had 2 reasons for the post of this thread;
    1. To show the incident.....
    2. The main reason was to start a discussion about what would be a proper response from the homeowner.


    One thing I have learned from the many CCW classes that I have attended -- every scenario is different. Take these scenarios and think about what your reaction would be. In this case it was a dog....But what if the police walks up and shoots your child who startled him? Are you justified to return fire at that point? Is your life in danger? What if it was a bad shot and he lowers his weapon, do you still shoot? (Obviously not, but in a fit of rage it may happen). As I stated on an earlier post, it is instances like this that could make a good citizen make some really bad decisions. Bad Stuff.

    JZ

    The proper response would have been complying with the police from the start and dealing with possible repercussions later. I am in no way saying the cop was in any way justified in shooting the dog, but had he 100% complied and worked with the officer from the get-go, the situation would have ended differently.
     

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    The proper response would have been complying with the police from the start and dealing with possible repercussions later. I am in no way saying the cop was in any way justified in shooting the dog, but had he 100% complied and worked with the officer from the get-go, the situation would have ended differently.

    Exactly. Now we are talking about “what if a cop killed your kid”.


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    Exactly. Now we are talking about *what if a cop killed your kid*.


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    I don't think we need to even entertain that discussion. It's entirely fruitless and will not benefit anyone here or the forum as a whole.

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    CatCam

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    The proper response would have been complying with the police from the start and dealing with possible repercussions later. I am in no way saying the cop was in any way justified in shooting the dog, but had he 100% complied and worked with the officer from the get-go, the situation would have ended differently.

    From the video I saw it didn't seem the guy was given a chance to "comply" -- The cop says "do you want to step to the road" and guy replies "no I do not want to step to the road". What is he supposed to do, run out and give the cop a BJ?


    BTW - anyone figure out what the LEO was doing there in the 1st place?
     

    thperez1972

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    From the video I saw it didn't seem the guy was given a chance to "comply" -- The cop says "do you want to step to the road" and guy replies "no I do not want to step to the road". What is he supposed to do, run out and give the cop a BJ?


    BTW - anyone figure out what the LEO was doing there in the 1st place?

    He was asked a question. Do you feel the only 2 answers are "no" and giving the cop a bj? Might there be at least one other option? Could he have said "ok"? If the cop gave him time to answer the question and the guy answered the question, he had time to comply.
     

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    He was asked a question. Do you feel the only 2 answers are "no" and giving the cop a bj? Might there be at least one other option? Could he have said "ok"? If the cop gave him time to answer the question and the guy answered the question, he had time to comply.

    Yeah, I guess you are right. Comply or face the consequences. Thank God for vid cameras or that LEO would still be out there doing these things.
     

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    From the video I saw it didn't seem the guy was given a chance to "comply" -- The cop says "do you want to step to the road" and guy replies "no I do not want to step to the road". What is he supposed to do, run out and give the cop a BJ?


    BTW - anyone figure out what the LEO was doing there in the 1st place?

    I watch the 3 minute video on Live Leak. The cop asked him to walk to the road and the guy refused. The cop told the guy he would walk to the guy but would shoot the dog if the dog got aggressive. The cop then asked the guy again to walk to the road. Again the guy said no. The cop shot the dog about :30 into the video.

    Based on what the guy said, he may have been the one who called the police. He doesn't say that but he tells the cop some woman pointed a gun at him and they should check her out. The cop said they made contact with her and she has a concealed carry permit. So I'm guessing either the guy called as a victim or a neighbor heard the commotion and called. What I found interesting is the guy appeared to be pissed about the woman pointing a gun at him but wasn't interested in talking to the cops away from his house.

    None of the above excuses the cop's actions. There were multiple chances on the part of both people to turn the outcome in a different direction. I would say, based on how quick the second cop showed up, the second cop was already in route. The first cop could have easily waited for the second cop. Not everyone responds to every cop in the same way. One cop might get nowhere with someone but his partner may get that someone to open up. I think the first cop had an "how dare he tell me no" mindset.
     

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    I watch the 3 minute video on Live Leak. The cop asked him to walk to the road and the guy refused. The cop told the guy he would walk to the guy but would shoot the dog if the dog got aggressive. The cop then asked the guy again to walk to the road. Again the guy said no. The cop shot the dog about :30 into the video.

    Based on what the guy said, he may have been the one who called the police. He doesn't say that but he tells the cop some woman pointed a gun at him and they should check her out. The cop said they made contact with her and she has a concealed carry permit. So I'm guessing either the guy called as a victim or a neighbor heard the commotion and called. What I found interesting is the guy appeared to be pissed about the woman pointing a gun at him but wasn't interested in talking to the cops away from his house.

    None of the above excuses the cop's actions. There were multiple chances on the part of both people to turn the outcome in a different direction. I would say, based on how quick the second cop showed up, the second cop was already in route. The first cop could have easily waited for the second cop. Not everyone responds to every cop in the same way. One cop might get nowhere with someone but his partner may get that someone to open up. I think the first cop had an "how dare he tell me no" mindset.

    Yep, good analogy and I'm not using a broad brush to paint all LEO's like this POS. The crazy thing is the homeowner called the police to report an incident, he wasn't the "bad guy".....so why was the LEO coming off as a "badass" to the guy (i.e. taxpayer) requesting they look into a situation. This LEO is why attitudes towards police go south.....damn shame.
     

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    Yep, good analogy and I'm not using a broad brush to paint all LEO's like this POS. The crazy thing is the homeowner called the police to report an incident, he wasn't the "bad guy".....so why was the LEO coming off as a "badass" to the guy (i.e. taxpayer) requesting they look into a situation. This LEO is why attitudes towards police go south.....damn shame.

    You would be surprised how many people that call the police are the ones that actually end up having to go to jail. Just because you call the police that doesn’t automatically make you an innocent victim. You seem to have it all figured out so I’ll just sit back and watch you educate us.


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    Yeah, I guess you are right. Comply or face the consequences. Thank God for vid cameras or that LEO would still be out there doing these things.

    Ok


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    Yep, good analogy and I'm not using a broad brush to paint all LEO's like this POS. The crazy thing is the homeowner called the police to report an incident, he wasn't the "bad guy".....so why was the LEO coming off as a "badass" to the guy (i.e. taxpayer) requesting they look into a situation. This LEO is why attitudes towards police go south.....damn shame.

    Just a few words on that whole taxpayer thing:
    -Good guy and bad guys pay taxes.
    -You don't have a choice, you're not "paying my salary" voluntarily out of the kindness of your heart.
    -The amount of money you contribute to my paycheck is statistically insignificant. If you were paying my salary voluntarily and decided to stop, I would never notice.
     

    CatCam

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    You seem to have it all figured out so I’ll just sit back and watch you educate us.


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    was this comment called for? Did I ever state in any of my threads that ALL LEO's are bad in any way shape or form?

    If you are sitting back, here is your education -- This particular LEO did a bad thing by getting mad because he had to walk from the street to the taxpayer's front door to discuss a situation, on the way to the door he shot a defenseless chihuahua, it was a bad shot, uncalled for. Actions like this strains relations between citizens and LEOs. This act could make the avg. Joe citizen make bad decisions too. In this case the citizen didn't and the LEO was fired from his job and I hope he finds another means of employment.
     

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    In the first article, the sheriff department stated the deputies were dispatched for an *aggressive dog* call.

    9# or 50# dog being aggressive can still f you up.

    Same as most other leo shootings; should have complied to the officers orders, like it or not.
     

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    I keep reading the same thing, 'should have complied', as though it is the homeowner's fault the dog was shot.

    Let's be perfectly clear. That cop was in NO WAY justified in shooting that dog.

    Let's also be perfectly clear. That cop was in NO WAY representative of the cops I know and call friends.

    As I said before, this individual should never be trusted with a firearm, ever again. He has demonstrated a propensity to use it in a manner inconsistent with the law.

    I hope that individual never finds work again. Not as a peace officer, not as a waiter, not as a fry cook at McDonalds. I sure wouldn't hire him. This should follow him to an early grave.

    He has done a disservice to his profession, his department, and his family.

    Yes. I am judging him for this ONE mistake. I doubt it is an aberration. I suspect that it is evidence of a pattern of abuse, that hereto has gone unreported.
     
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