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    Reparations? New/old dem strategies to win

    It looks like they are bringing reparations up again. Booker and AOC. They go out of their way to find things to divide us. Never unite..

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/boo...ry-reparations

    Keep any comments civil please..

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    Marksman

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    I'm fine with this. Even just getting the government to admit that it sanctioned slavery would be a big step forward.

    And no, I'm not off my rocker. The more the government can discredit itself, the more the inalienable right of the people to keep and bear arms makes sense.

    Mike
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    Hey if Al Sharpton approves then it has to be good for the nation.
    "When You Go Home, Tell Them Of Us And Say, For Your Tomorrow, We Gave Our's Today"

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    I am a firm believer in reparations. All slave owners should pay money to all the former slaves. Wait, they are all dead... But, like Gator said, if the Rev Sharpton approves, probably a good thing.

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    Marksman

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    Exclamation Reparations

    Ok, here's the deal, find a direct relative of mine who owned slaves. Note how far from me on my family tree that slave owning relative is.
    Now, find the direct descendants of those particular slaves directly linked to YOU. Note their distance down their family tree that they are from you.
    For every generation I am from each slave owner, divide by half. Example: my great, great, great, great uncle owned a slave. That would be 1/2/2/2/2/2 = 0.03125
    For every generation you are from your direct relative slave, divide by one-half. 1/2/2/2/2/2 = 0.03125
    Ok, let's say the 40 acres and a Mule promised to the slaves are worth ($3,020 X 40) + a $1,500 mule in today's money would be $120,800 + $1.500 - $122,300. Also, please note that the offer was " Ö each family shall have a plot of NOT MORE THAN (40) acres of tillable ground, and when it borders on some water channel, with not more than 800 feet water front" and that this was to be divided up amongst all the slaves from 400,000 acres of land. That is 10,000 40 acre plots, max BUT "Over 100,000 ex-slaves fought for the Union and over 500,000 fled their plantations for Union lines." Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaver...ican_Civil_War so a LOT of slaves are getting less or NO land.
    Source: https://www.theroot.com/the-truth-be...ule-1790894780
    The average cost of an acre according to: https://www.agweb.com/land/farmland-value-guide/
    "In 2015, the average acre in the United States sold for $3,020."
    The average mule cost in todayís money source: http://howmuchdoescost.com/how-much-does-a-mule-cost/).
    That means my ancestor might owe $122,300 to THAT SLAVE even though the GOVERNMENT made that agreement, not the slave owners so itís the US Government and military you need to talk to.
    This leaves your level of claim to be a maximum of $122,300 X 0.03125 = $3821.875
    I say maximum because that was assuming only 1 child per ancestor. For each previous child between or next to you in your family tree, you would have to divide by 2 again to split the pot equally among the surviving kin so figuring a LOW average of two kids per generation, it actually would be smaller than 1/2/2/2/2/2/2/2/2/2/2 or 0.0009765625 so that leaves you with somewhat less than $119.44
    Now MY responsibility of that amount would be a Maximum of $119.44 X 0.03125 = $3.74. Of course, for each of my ancestorís children between me and that slave owning kin would halve that number as well so youíre looking at closer to a MAX of 1/2/2/2/2/2/2/2/2 or 0.00390625 X $119.44 which is $0.47, IF you are lucky.
    Bring me the genealogical proof and a full family tree for both of us and I will pay you on the spot.
    © Copyright Speedy Mercer 4/2/2019

    "Not to rain on your reparations parade but since the LBJ Great Society and the his creation of the huge welfare state, we should take that into consideration as a payout in reparations and deducted from any sum based on Speedy's calculations."

    "...the way I figure it, my obligation is actually negative, judging by how much of the taxes I, my parents, and my grandparents paid have gone to descendants of former slaves."
    Last edited by herohog; April 8th, 2019 at 07:06 PM. Reason: Forgot a few things

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    Marksman

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    Quote Originally Posted by herohog View Post
    Ok, here's the deal, find a direct relative of mine who owned slaves. Note how far from me on my family tree that slave owning relative is.
    Now, find the direct descendants of those particular slaves directly linked to YOU. Note their distance down their family tree that they are from you.
    For every generation I am from each slave owner, divide by half. Example: my great, great, great, great uncle owned a slave. That would be 1/2/2/2/2/2 = 0.03125
    For every generation you are from your direct relative slave, divide by one-half. 1/2/2/2/2/2 = 0.03125
    Ok, let's say the 40 acres and a Mule promised to the slaves are worth ($3,020 X 40) + a $1,500 mule in today's money would be $120,800 + $1.500 - $122,300. Also, please note that the offer was " … each family shall have a plot of NOT MORE THAN (40) acres of tillable ground, and when it borders on some water channel, with not more than 800 feet water front" and that this was to be divided up amongst all the slaves from 400,000 acres of land. That is 10,000 40 acre plots, max BUT "Over 100,000 ex-slaves fought for the Union and over 500,000 fled their plantations for Union lines." Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaver...ican_Civil_War so a LOT of slaves are getting less or NO land.
    Source: https://www.theroot.com/the-truth-be...ule-1790894780
    The average cost of an acre according to: https://www.agweb.com/land/farmland-value-guide/
    "In 2015, the average acre in the United States sold for $3,020."
    The average mule cost in today’s money source: http://howmuchdoescost.com/how-much-does-a-mule-cost/).
    That means my ancestor might owe $122,300 to THAT SLAVE even though the GOVERNMENT made that agreement, not the slave owners so it’s the US Government and military you need to talk to.
    This leaves your level of claim to be a maximum of $122,300 X 0.03125 = $3821.875
    I say maximum because that was assuming only 1 child per ancestor. For each previous child between or next to you in your family tree, you would have to divide by 2 again to split the pot equally among the surviving kin so figuring a LOW average of two kids per generation, it actually would be smaller than 1/2/2/2/2/2/2/2/2/2/2 or 0.0009765625 so that leaves you with somewhat less than $119.44
    Now MY responsibility of that amount would be a Maximum of $119.44 X 0.03125 = $3.74. Of course, for each of my ancestor’s children between me and that slave owning kin would halve that number as well so you’re looking at closer to a MAX of 1/2/2/2/2/2/2/2/2 or 0.00390625 X $119.44 which is $0.47, IF you are lucky.
    Bring me the genealogical proof and a full family tree for both of us and I will pay you on the spot.
    You left out a Fair Tax on the payment as funds received,So now that is down another 40% or so depending where they live.
    "When You Go Home, Tell Them Of Us And Say, For Your Tomorrow, We Gave Our's Today"

    Voting is the responsibility of a citizen, even if voting may not necessarily be obligatory. To not vote seems to me to be an abrogation of one's responsibility as a citizen, regardless of one's politics.

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    Marksman

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    Looks like I will need a Ha'penny to make a proper payment...

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    Marksman

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    Quote Originally Posted by herohog View Post
    Looks like I will need a Ha'penny to make a proper payment...
    You did an awful lot of thinking and typing for the sum of what is suspected that you may or may not owe....Plus 10,000!
    "When You Go Home, Tell Them Of Us And Say, For Your Tomorrow, We Gave Our's Today"

    Voting is the responsibility of a citizen, even if voting may not necessarily be obligatory. To not vote seems to me to be an abrogation of one's responsibility as a citizen, regardless of one's politics.

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    Do those of us who may have slave blood running thru our veins get a slice of that pie too?
    Last edited by maddenfreak13; April 8th, 2019 at 07:57 PM. Reason: Misspelled words

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    Marksman

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    It does bother me to KNOW that I have relatives that owned slaves. It truly does, but do I owe anyone anything? How about a sincere apology on my long dead relative's behalf?

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