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    They can’t come through the phone, so I’m gonna go with probably not. But I tend to stop saying dumb s@@@ before I say something the real police are interested in.

    The biggest thing to remember here is the IRS knows the public doesn’t like them and being the police doesn’t inoculate from that. The guard doesn’t know the officer isn’t pissed about having his bank accounts levied. My point is to avoid any issues handling this off duty out of uniform is the smart thing to do.

    The security guard didn't know. And that's part of the problem. The security guard put the sheriff in danger of receiving great bodily harm or death just in case the sheriff was going to have a verbal altercation with the employee in the future. Or because the sheriff was verbally non-compliant while complying with the security guard.
     

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    My 2 cents. The deputy should have never entered the building with his service weapon. Everybody knows that. Picking up dry cleaning and eating lunch does not compare with visiting the IRS. I would have never done that on duty. When I would have gotten pissed and started hollering, I didn't want anybody to know I was law enforcement. Also didn't want employees to feel intimidated and call in a complaint. And the security guard should have not pulled his weapon. Although the deputy should have never been in there with a weapon, you don't get the death penalty for it. He was not a threat.
     

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    The one I ran into had cuffs + his Glock....I was in a federal building less than 2 months ago going to a court hearing,Got bagged searched and I had forgotten a pin knife less than 2.5 inches long in my bag....Said guard informed me to go back outside the building and return the knife to my vehicle....because he didn't feel like arresting me that day...

    I'm like okay....Sorry I had missed the little knife,I did remove a hatchet from the bag first....He said he would have to arrest me if he had found the hatchet in the bag inside the building.

    I'm not going to test them out,Perhaps someone else could...You know just for conversation purpous's....

    What he said he would do and what he was legally authorized to do may not be the same. His idea of arrest you may be to call someone who has arrest powers. He could have said "arrest you" but meant "have you arrested." I did a quick search for "federal security guard" and found some job postings that mentioned responsibilities. I say some that mentioned calling the police but didn't see any that said anything about detaining or arresting. The article did not mention the security company's name so I wasn't able to check what their powers were.
     

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    If I’ve learned anything over time is that compliance is the best policy. Swallow your pride and put aside that*I know my rights* and deal with it later. A hole in your pride is much better than a hole in the chest. Court takes place in a courtroom, not the side of the road or anywhere else.
     

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    What he said he would do and what he was legally authorized to do may not be the same. His idea of arrest you may be to call someone who has arrest powers. He could have said "arrest you" but meant "have you arrested." I did a quick search for "federal security guard" and found some job postings that mentioned responsibilities. I say some that mentioned calling the police but didn't see any that said anything about detaining or arresting. The article did not mention the security company's name so I wasn't able to check what their powers were.

    Is it possible that the Feds have their own Federally deputized guards vs Barney Fife with his 38 guarding the local truck stop casino?
     

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    The security guard didn't know. And that's part of the problem. The security guard put the sheriff in danger of receiving great bodily harm or death just in case the sheriff was going to have a verbal altercation with the employee in the future. Or because the sheriff was verbally non-compliant while complying with the security guard.

    I agree the guard was entirely in the wrong in his behavior. And I know the Sherriff’s deputy was looking for a phone number, but to the security guard everyone is a threat until they leave. A deputy showing up in uniform to resolve personal issues with the IRS might send a signal that is entirely unintended. As stupid as that sounds ‘big scary cop wants me to make his IRS problems go away’. I know it’s stupid but we live in a world where people are triggered by pronouns.
     

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    If I’ve learned anything over time is that compliance is the best policy. Swallow your pride and put aside that*I know my rights* and deal with it later. A hole in your pride is much better than a hole in the chest. Court takes place in a courtroom, not the side of the road or anywhere else.

    I agree with that no doubt, but unless there was a ton removed from the video, I think he swallowed a lot of pride and tried to remove himself from the situation. The security guard was the aggressor.
     

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    Is it possible that the Feds have their own Federally deputized guards vs Barney Fife with his 38 guarding the local truck stop casino?

    It is. Like I said, I did a quick search and didn't find anything. My search was not exhaustive. And without knowing the name of the security company, I would feel the results of the search would be speculative at best. I will say if he was deputized, I hope is actions were outside of his training. One could reason the deputy was armed, calling for a higher response. But even then, clearing leather and having his weapon by his side would, in my opinion, be a more appropriate action.
     

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    I agree with that no doubt, but unless there was a ton removed from the video, I think he swallowed a lot of pride and tried to remove himself from the situation. The security guard was the aggressor.

    The video seems to cut from the sheriff saying he can't do that to the sheriff walking out and it doesn't show the security guard. Is that federal property? With the guard getting a charge, I think that would suggest the local police had jurisdiction to charge him. If his actions were consistent with his training, would the feds have stepped in on his behalf?
     

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    The video seems to cut from the sheriff saying he can't do that to the sheriff walking out and it doesn't show the security guard. Is that federal property? With the guard getting a charge, I think that would suggest the local police had jurisdiction to charge him. If his actions were consistent with his training, would the feds have stepped in on his behalf?

    I think as the story plays out we will see why the feds aren’t coming to his rescue. My bet is that wasn’t his training. He probably has a history of being an idiot. Look for social media post from him previously bashing the police.

    Also I think someone in the office already conceded that locals have jurisdiction when they called the cops. If that’s not the case I would be surprised. It’s not a Military installation or anything close to it.
     

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    I haven’t seen the video but I did see a still from the video. I looked it up on YouTube and now it seems to be a black and white thing. I had no idea the SO was black. No matter what actually went down the guard will be put down on this. The race card has been thrown down. Game over.
     

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    My 2 cents. The deputy should have never entered the building with his service weapon. Everybody knows that. Picking up dry cleaning and eating lunch does not compare with visiting the IRS. I would have never done that on duty. When I would have gotten pissed and started hollering, I didn't want anybody to know I was law enforcement. Also didn't want employees to feel intimidated and call in a complaint. And the security guard should have not pulled his weapon. Although the deputy should have never been in there with a weapon, you don't get the death penalty for it. He was not a threat.


    Exactamundo!!!! That was my whole point in earlier statement.
     

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    I haven’t seen the video but I did see a still from the video. I looked it up on YouTube and now it seems to be a black and white thing. I had no idea the SO was black. No matter what actually went down the guard will be put down on this. The race card has been thrown down. Game over.

    I read a few articles on this, most of them being an interpretation of the original story. Only one of them mentioned anything about race, saying this happened because "this is America and Gaston is a black man." I am not familiar with the leanings of the site (The Root) and their tagline is "Black News, Opinions, Politics and Culture." As they seem to be the only source with that interpretation, it's possible they are reporting correlation as causation. Even BET didn't report this as a racial issue, although the did note the races of the involved parties. I'm not sure who has thrown down the race card but it doesn't seem to be the deputy, at least not publicly.
     

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    My 2 cents. The deputy should have never entered the building with his service weapon. Everybody knows that. Picking up dry cleaning and eating lunch does not compare with visiting the IRS. I would have never done that on duty. When I would have gotten pissed and started hollering, I didn't want anybody to know I was law enforcement. Also didn't want employees to feel intimidated and call in a complaint. And the security guard should have not pulled his weapon. Although the deputy should have never been in there with a weapon, you don't get the death penalty for it. He was not a threat.

    I think you are making the assumption that he too lacked self control. He didn't go in to address an issue in person. He went in to get a number so he could address an issue later on the phone.
     

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    Security guard was too quick to draw and aim at anyone,period.The officer was complying by leaving.The security guard should have just followed him out of the building in an orderly manor and then returned to call 911.Yes,
    the officer should have been arrested for carrying a firearm in a no carry zone just like ANYONE else.He knew the law.But as stated earlier,some LEO
    Think they are above the law.The officer should be reprimanded to 30 days off duty and sign a paper to comply in all federal office or no carry zone
    areas.And if the officer ever did something like this again,he would be facing
    felony charges.That simple,thats what a judge would more than likely say in a courtroom.

    But he is not the same as everyone else if he is on duty and within his jurisdiction. LE officers routinely carry firearms in gun free zones because its part of their job. He was asked to leave and he left. If a crime was committed while he was there he would have been the one to handle it, not the security guard.


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    So what should he do if he gets an all cars call to that federal building? The two responding officers had guns. The whole thing could have been avoided if he handled his personal business off the clock, but if the psycho security guard had handled himself with just a modicum respect for others or common sense it could have been prevented as well.

    Correct


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