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  • meauxcg

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    Just saw a news interview where several places that are enacting red flag laws are now going to consider the number of firearms ones owns as a cause to trigger a
    red flag on an individual.

    Could not get the link to the video from the feed but here is a quote from an article that was under the video that played.

    "I really would like to be optimistic. But in my calmer moments, I'm generally not, because there is such cultural inertia on this and there's such spinelessness on part of the politicians," Garbarino said.

    He continued: "Often after these mass shootings they'll interview neighbors of the person, and they'll say things like, 'He was such a normal guy — of course, he did have 17 guns in his house.' Having 17 guns doesn't even register as, 'Wow, that's a big red flag.'"
     

    Emperor

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    Yesterday, during one of their "top of the hour" news blurbs, WWL radio reported that the FBI receives an average of 22,000 calls per week into their national "tip line" regarding potential gun violence. They didn't elaborate, but one can only assume it is friends, family, neighbors, co-workers, acquaintances, even strangers, etc. calling in to report (what they perceive to be), suspicious behavior involving someone and firearms. You can imagine it is a range of any number of potential scenarios. They did say that the "tip line" has actually stopped some shootings before they actually transpired, but again didn't offer how many.

    That number of calls rose to 35,000 in one week right after the Dayton and El Paso shootings. Think about that for a moment. If there are approximately 315 million people in the U.S., and they estimate that anywhere from 40-50% own a firearm, then by those numbers alone, 1,140,000 gun owners would be reported as potential threats to the FBI each and every year (not withstanding those that have been called in on multiple times by multiple people).

    As this above relates to potentially more Red Flag Laws, I who thought that legitimate suspicions of those with possible mental illness and firearms are not only warranted, but should be "flagged" somehow, now conclude that these laws WILL be abused!

    Though I truly believe we as a society need to reign in these mental defects, dirt bags, and scum that keep using firearms to kill innocent people, I just don't believe that politicians can be trusted to write laws that ensure a law abiding citizen the protections of the Bill of Rights. Politicians have displayed example after example of how badly or how nefariously far, they are willing to go to justify an agenda.

    If the OP is correct that the number of guns a law-abiding US citizen has is fair game for a flag, then it should be evidence enough that they are already devising ways to circumvent the US Constitution to achieve their end.
     

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    On my street, 3 know I have guns and ammo they think lots. 2 I get along with well are best friends. One just ok but thinks I just have one or so since they see me put stuff in car to go shoot.
    I saw that show:
    Yesterday, during one of their "top of the hour" news blurbs, WWL radio reported that the FBI receives an average of 22,000 calls per week into their national "tip line" regarding potential gun violence. They didn't elaborate, but one can only assume it is friends, family, neighbors, co-workers, acquaintances, even strangers, etc. calling in to report (what they perceive to be), suspicious behavior involving someone and firearms. You can imagine it is a range of any number of potential scenarios. They did say that the "tip line" has actually stopped some shootings before they actually transpired, but again didn't offer how many.
    They also showed some guys guns and ammo on a small table it was not much. Really a fraction of what I had before the boat sank.
    They were going on and on about how much it was.
    My wife walked in the room and asked what he do? Joking I said he had to many guns and to much ammo. He got 20 years. It is a crime now!
    She said we are both in big trouble........
     

    103M 95G

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    This is the Source
    https://news.yahoo.com/police-trying-arrest-way-mass-175059719.html

    here is the quote

    One of the biggest issues is Americans' easy access to high-powered firearms, James Garbarino told Insider. As a psychology professor at Loyola University Chicago, he has studied violence among children and teenage killers.

    When it comes to limiting people's access to such weapons, he said, the US lags far behind its western peers in how they're working to prevent major massacres.

    "I really would like to be optimistic. But in my calmer moments, I'm generally not, because there is such cultural inertia on this and there's such spinelessness on part of the politicians," Garbarino said.

    He continued: "Often after these mass shootings they'll interview neighbors of the person, and they'll say things like, 'He was such a normal guy — of course, he did have 17 guns in his house.' Having 17 guns doesn't even register as, 'Wow, that's a big red flag.'"










     

    El Pozzinator

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    It’s a catch 22. It’s illegal to file a false order for protective custody (OPC) against someone (because it’s a legal affidavit sworn before law enforcement) but how does one PROVE it was false? Because the person didn’t eventually do something unstable? If they’re released by the first physician? What about a false physician’s emergency certificate (PEC) where an ER doc thinks a patient needs remanded for evaluation? They’re medical doctors, so they should know about behavior and mental health and the law, in addition to how the human body works, and they should never be wrong. Right? But how would one prove false allegations if one’s neighbor filed an OPC because they saw guns, or if a lefty doc decides someone must be unstable because they’re wearing a Glock shirt (or some other indication of firearms ownership, since hospitals are gun-free zones)?

    That’s how these red flag laws are going to work. Like bogus restraining orders and PFAs filed by soon-to-be ex’s as vindictive precursors to a custody battle. This mocks our system of “innocent until proven guilty” because once filed (especially if they seize one’s property) the onus is now on the accused to prove their innocence. My stepdad’s PAC (foac.org) has been involved in numerous suits for exactly these types of cases. They haven’t had any red flag issues -yet- but they’ve had a few “swatting” by unfriendly neighbors, and numerous false PFA and 302 (PA version of an OPC) cases.


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    323MAR

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    It seems to me that most of the mass shooters only recently acquired firearms and were not enthusiasts.
    The media also ignores the fact that firearms is the only hobby that can be outlawed for anyone who is convicted of any felony. Therefore, at least 99.9% of firearms enthusiasts will not comment even a minor felony.
     

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    Duh, don't people realize you can only effectively shoot one gun at a time (unless you're an actor in a movie firing blanks).

    Owning 100 guns is no more dangerous than owning 2 if you're planning to commit a crime. It's just a spurious excuse to harass law abiding gun owners.
     

    thperez1972

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    This is the Source
    https://news.yahoo.com/police-trying-arrest-way-mass-175059719.html

    here is the quote

    One of the biggest issues is Americans' easy access to high-powered firearms, James Garbarino told Insider. As a psychology professor at Loyola University Chicago, he has studied violence among children and teenage killers.

    When it comes to limiting people's access to such weapons, he said, the US lags far behind its western peers in how they're working to prevent major massacres.

    "I really would like to be optimistic. But in my calmer moments, I'm generally not, because there is such cultural inertia on this and there's such spinelessness on part of the politicians," Garbarino said.

    He continued: "Often after these mass shootings they'll interview neighbors of the person, and they'll say things like, 'He was such a normal guy — of course, he did have 17 guns in his house.' Having 17 guns doesn't even register as, 'Wow, that's a big red flag.'"

    Correlation does not equal causation. That's why it's not a red flag.

    To apply that their reasoning to a different issue, guys who sexually assault women all have d***s. Therefore d***s cause sexually assaults and all men should get their d***s chopped off. You know...for the children.
     

    thperez1972

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    Duh, don't people realize you can only effectively shoot one gun at a time (unless you're an actor in a movie firing blanks).

    Owning 100 guns is no more dangerous than owning 2 if you're planning to commit a crime. It's just a spurious excuse to harass law abiding gun owners.

     

    Magdump

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    How would this be tracked I wonder. Would if be the 17th NICS form? Do you have to have someone report on you?

    Sounds like a wacko leftist wet dream.
    How many times has one run a background check to purchase how many firearms?
    How many online orders for parts, accessories and ammo?
    Is my foil hat on straight?
     
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    Your video proved my point that using more than 2 handguns in a crime is impractical.

    Jerry Miculek can do 9 New York reloads and fire 60 rounds in 17.12 seconds with 10 revolvers. But who wants to carry 10 handguns or even more than 2 handguns very far just to have more ammo? That's why mags and speed loaders and clips were invented.

    A large numbers of firearms is NOT a threat to society, and owning a lot of guns does not mean you want to shoot a lot of people.
     

    Trailboss

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    How would this be tracked I wonder. Would if be the 17th NICS form? Do you have to have someone report on you? Sounds like a wacko leftist wet dream.

    If you bought a 10-gun Sentry safe at Walmart with a credit card, your sales record will be forwarded to the local ATF office, since you obviously own too many guns. <Sarcasm, but maybe not>
     

    thperez1972

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    Your video proved my point that using more than 2 handguns in a crime is impractical.

    Jerry Miculek can do 9 New York reloads and fire 60 rounds in 17.12 seconds with 10 revolvers. But who wants to carry 10 handguns or even more than 2 handguns very far just to have more ammo? That's why mags and speed loaders and clips were invented.

    A large numbers of firearms is NOT a threat to society, and owning a lot of guns does not mean you want to shoot a lot of people.

    Why else would someone want that many guns?
     

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    i only have 2 guns in my house. did nt say where i have others

    No one, and I mean no one you can't trust absolutely and implicitly should know your private business. I even make sure my kids aren't out there bragging about my collections.

    Our society has devolved into too many idiots that share too much personal info on these stupid social media sites as well as way too many busybodies. Want to see how bad it has gotten? Read or watch the news. Just yesterday I heard about a mainstream columnist that lost a good job for some crap they posted almost a decade ago. Just because it went against the ideology of the employer.

    Hell, I am getting close to signing off on this site for good, and sadly; it's the only social site I visit. I like the information we share about vendors, services, news, laws, etc.; but I do not see any of it ending well for a lot of people. These internet snooping technologies will eventually turn at us, and be used against us one way or another.

    These worthless power hungry politicians and bureaucrats can't help themselves. Just look at the treasonous activities democrats are willing to participate in to get their way!
     

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    No one, and I mean no one you can't trust absolutely and implicitly should know your private business. I even make sure my kids aren't out there bragging about my collections.

    Our society has devolved into too many idiots that share too much personal info on these stupid social media sites as well as way too many busybodies. Want to see how bad it has gotten? Read or watch the news. Just yesterday I heard about a mainstream columnist that lost a good job for some crap they posted almost a decade ago. Just because it went against the ideology of the employer.

    Hell, I am getting close to signing off on this site for good, and sadly; it's the only social site I visit. I like the information we share about vendors, services, news, laws, etc.; but I do not see any of it ending well for a lot of people. These internet snooping technologies will eventually turn at us, and be used against us one way or another.

    These worthless power hungry politicians and bureaucrats can't help themselves. Just look at the treasonous activities democrats are willing to participate in to get their way!

    Hell Emp,Just as soon as stay and go down United vs Divided,I value most of your opinions!

    Sadly due to a ongoing 4 year battle with a back injury I've been slowly selling off my recoil monsters and probally will only keep a .22 rifle and pistol + a 38 wheel gun for the wife....Gonna be slim pickings around here for the socialist democraps!
     

    Magdump

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    Careful conspiracy theorist are thought of as crazy and apparently you can’t be crazy and own guns in America anymore. :dogkeke:

    Tell that to all the Branch Davidians. Living or dead. Wasn’t a fan of Koresche, but I distinctly remember the news conference where the ATF announced they were watching and raiding because of stockpiling and ordering parts to possibly convert AK and other rifles to automatic. Wonder how they tracked those transactions...
    Oh, and don’t buy anything straight from China (Wish.com or equivalent) right now. Bad juju...
     
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