Join BayouShooter For Free
Cajun Ammo

Page 6 of 8 FirstFirst ... 567 ... LastLast
Results 51 to 60 of 78
  1. #51
    Marksman

    User Info Menu

    Quote Originally Posted by thperez1972 View Post
    Repeating that it is does not make it so.

    Reading back over your posts, you feel having to involve a third party involved in the sale is ok if the third party has the ability to deny the sale but it's not ok if the third party is there to ensure both parties are consenting. You disagree with having the sale notarized because it denies someone the ability to make the purchase at 3 am. But If they are able to make the purchase at 3 am, your objection moves to the law not being needed. I just want to make sure I have everything right.
    You are usually a logical guy, so I’m going to make the assumption we are missing one another in communication. So I will try and explain why I believe you defining insanity.

    If it’s illegal to kill me, and you just can’t help but want to. You know that’s a crime but it won’t stop you. You also know it’s a crime to obtain a gun without an FFL transfer (if that was the case) why do you care if you break that law? You don’t do you? Now the question becomes where do you get a throw away gun? Maybe you steel it. Maybe you buy it on the ‘blackmarket’ but lets be realistic at best we slowed you down. It’s almost the same argument for banning the sale period. Guns are already out there.
    Last edited by Bangswitch; September 11th, 2019 at 02:03 PM.

  2. #52
    ESSAYONS

    User Info Menu

    Quote Originally Posted by Bangswitch View Post
    No you miss me entirely the need for a notary and the fact it gets skipped is an example of a private party transaction that requires a third party and you people easily get around it. The purpose for the notary is as you said proving consent for both private parties. The need for an FFL as a third party brings a fourth parties consent into the equation. You are making this more than I meant it to be.

    Plainly stated requiring a notary to be present to transfer an automobile is too much of an imposition for a large chunk of our population and an automobile is not a fundamental right.
    I didn't say anything about an FFL for private sales. You are making this more than it needs to be by bringing introducing an FFL into the private sale.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bangswitch View Post
    You are usually a logical guy, so I’m going to make the assumption we are missing one another in communication. So I will try and explain why I believe you defining insanity.

    If it’s illegal to kill me, and you just can’t help but want to. You know that’s a crime but it won’t stop you. You also know it’s a crime to obtain a gun without an FFL transfer (if that was the case) why do you care if you break that law? You don’t do you? Now the question becomes where do you get a throw away gun? Maybe you steel it. Maybe you buy it on the ‘blackmarket’ but lets be realistic at best we slowed you down. It’s almost the same argument for banning the sale period. Guns are already out there.
    Laws are legislated moralities. In a moral society, a law against murder would not be needed. With a society with immoral people, the laws are needed. But the immoral people will simply ignore the laws, making them useless. Should we get rid of all laws against murder?

  3. #53
    Marksman

    User Info Menu

    Quote Originally Posted by thperez1972 View Post
    I didn't say anything about an FFL for private sales. You are making this more than it needs to be by bringing introducing an FFL into the private sale.
    Not my intent. And you are dodging my point.

    Quote Originally Posted by thperez1972 View Post
    Laws are legislated moralities. In a moral society, a law against murder would not be needed. With a society with immoral people, the laws are needed. But the immoral people will simply ignore the laws, making them useless. Should we get rid of all laws against murder?
    Ok I give you’ve got to be screwing with me.

    What about a law against useless laws.

  4. #54
    Marksman

    User Info Menu

    Quote Originally Posted by Bangswitch View Post
    You sure giving that to the public is a wise idea? If LEO sometimes abuse their ability to run background checks can you imagine what would happen if you gave something similar to every swinging dick?
    It would be a simple ďyes or noĒ, not a complete print out of someones arrest history. And as far as selling vehicles at 3am, where do they get the notary stamp?

    You will never stop the person who is hellbent at killing, but I think it would stop the ones teetering on the fence. The real world is not like tv, there arenít open black markets on firearms in every neighborhood. Some will say they will just go to the inner city and buy them, thatís not likely and would mostly result in the person getting robbed of his saved up gun money. Iíve seen mentioned her about the elephant in the room so letís talk about it. The gun owning community has done a pretty good job of putting the spotlight on them by doing things just because they can and then filming it. There is no one answer to this and I was just throwing out an idea because something is about to change wether we like it or not.

    PS- I have a little different perspective on illegal guns than some of you. The majority of firearms taken by myself off of criminals have been stolen, either from a car burglary or burglary of a home. I know that burglary is a crime but if people would just bring their firearms inside or at least lock them up in a vehicle and at home that would probably cut down on a lot of illegal firearms.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    Censored by "them"

  5. #55
    Marksman

    User Info Menu

    Quote Originally Posted by Magdump View Post
    And thatís only part of it. What never ceases to amaze me is how people donít see the forest for the trees. Let me explain in the most basic terms:
    There is no power on this earth that can stop criminals from owning a gun.
    There is no power on this earth that can stop a criminal from acquiring a gun.
    One cannot simply snap their fingers and make all the guns in the world disappear and that is what would have to happen to keep a criminal from acquiring and owning a gun.
    Anyone who believes a shred of anything else is living in a fairy tale or completely hoodwinked by the propaganda spewed forth by a force that would seek to enslave an entire population.
    The only thing that any form of gun control will ever do is keep law abiding citizens from acquiring and owning guns or make it terribly difficult to do so.

    Letís apply this to another issue:
    Illegal drugs... how long ago was heroin outlawed? Cocaine? LSD? Ecstasy? The production, sale and distribution, possession and use of these and other illegal substances has been illegal for longer than any of you have been alive. The US federal government and state agencies have spent billions upon billions of dollars employing every means and person one can imagine to stop the production, sale and distribution, possession and use of these substances. People are hunted, arrested, incarcerated and killed daily in the Ďwar on drugsí and yet they still exist in mind boggling amounts. Enough to exist on any street corner of this nation at any time. How can this be?
    How can anyone truly believe that you can keep illegal drugs out of the hands of those who will completely disregard the laws that govern them?

    There is no earthly solution to gun violence that would allow mankind to exist on this planet.
    There is no form of gun control that would affect the target individuals without affecting the entirety of the law abiding population.
    A potential mass murderer is not in the least concerned about breaking any law on the books if heís willing to murder someone.
    Laws are not magical spells that control the masses. One can simply choose not to obey any law at any given time.

    So, accept the hype if that helps you cope with todayís world. Buy into the propaganda if you canít accept the facts, but be ready to give up every freedom youíve ever known.

    SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
    So before you go all molon labia on me, Iím assuming you view the law preventing felons from owning guns is infringing on their rights? Iím just trying to understand your mindset to see if itís even worth a conversation


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    Censored by "them"

  6. #56
    Marksman

    User Info Menu

    Quote Originally Posted by MOTOR51 View Post
    It would be a simple *yes or no*, not a complete print out of someones arrest history. And as far as selling vehicles at 3am, where do they get the notary stamp?

    You will never stop the person who is hellbent at killing, but I think it would stop the ones teetering on the fence. The real world is not like tv, there aren’t open black markets on firearms in every neighborhood. Some will say they will just go to the inner city and buy them, that’s not likely and would mostly result in the person getting robbed of his saved up gun money. I’ve seen mentioned her about the elephant in the room so let’s talk about it. The gun owning community has done a pretty good job of putting the spotlight on them by doing things just because they can and then filming it. There is no one answer to this and I was just throwing out an idea because something is about to change wether we like it or not.

    PS- I have a little different perspective on illegal guns than some of you. The majority of firearms taken by myself off of criminals have been stolen, either from a car burglary or burglary of a home. I know that burglary is a crime but if people would just bring their firearms inside or at least lock them up in a vehicle and at home that would probably cut down on a lot of illegal firearms.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    Hey I appreciate your perspective and the work you do. I don’t disagree something is about to happen, but the question is should it? And should we give in a take it. I feel being told give up and let it happen is akin to being told to relax during prison rape. When we are bigger and badder as the bastards trying to take ass.

    On the yes no website idea maybe I decided I’m going to use that as a means to screen for employment any no’s aren’t considered, but I could just get consent for a background check and do that a $19 a piece, but maybe I’m cheap and an idiot. I maybe it’s worth the risk maybe not. I could also fake a bunch of sales just before the feds decide to force a total ban those searches would only legalize my fake sales. I just don’t think its worth the cost and risk of offering it to the public. Poke holes in my ‘what if’ scenarios I’m obviously not on my A game today.

    The notary thing is easy. When I lived in Louisiana I bought trailers and automobiles like this. Bought it had title signed over by seller with photo of sellers license. I’ve then taken that to a notary who stamped it and issued me a tag. It’s not the proper way of doing things and push come to shove, I believe the notary and I technically committed fraud (because the notary didn’t actually witness a consensual transaction), but the purchases were consenting and I always compared the sellers DL with the title just in case. I know tons of people who have purchased things this way.

  7. #57
    Marksman

    User Info Menu

    Quote Originally Posted by MOTOR51 View Post
    So before you go all molon labia on me, I’m assuming you view the law preventing felons from owning guns is infringing on their rights? I’m just trying to understand your mindset to see if it’s even worth a conversation


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    Wait I do. There are tons of infringements in addition to that. I’m not saying trash them all (not opposed to it either) but, more infringement isn’t the answer either it just makes us more vulnerable.

    At the end of the day our biggest problem is our constitution wasn’t written to function in the immoral society we have become, and those of us who are distrusting of the government but rational struggle with that concept.

  8. #58
    ESSAYONS

    User Info Menu

    Quote Originally Posted by Bangswitch View Post
    Not my intent. And you are dodging my point.



    Ok I give you’ve got to be screwing with me.

    What about a law against useless laws.
    Nope...not messing with you. You seem to be saying a requirement that a private sale must go through a notary isn't good because people ignore the law and sell vehicles at 3 in the morning. My question to you is the same one you seem to be asking me. If people disregard the law with their actions, should the law dictating their actions be there in the first place?

  9. #59
    Marksman

    User Info Menu

    Quote Originally Posted by thperez1972 View Post
    Nope...not messing with you. You seem to be saying a requirement that a private sale must go through a notary isn't good because people ignore the law and sell vehicles at 3 in the morning. My question to you is the same one you seem to be asking me. If people disregard the law with their actions, should the law dictating their actions be there in the first place?
    Ok that’s a fair question. When the law will have little benefit, it infringes on a right, and would only act as a means to impede otherwise lawful transactions then yes. Never mind the fact that most ever gun used in recent mass shooting were purchased using the NICS program. And the guns that this law will likely never slow much less stop are the ones that actually matter the inner-city gangbanger gun sales and the cartel gun sales. It will be you and me who get stuck paying for an FFL to get government approval.

    And my slightly tin-foil maybe extreme scenario concern, is it makes it easier on the government to collect the guns for the good guys when that time comes. All they do is go to every FFL and say, ‘hand over your records’. From there they compile a list of doors to knock on. If you sold that gun privately or gifted it before the universal background checks the person who now owns it has a better shot at getting to keep it.

  10. #60
    Marksman

    User Info Menu

    Another concern on the yes/no website idea. What happens if a person puts your information in repeatedly for a handgun or other purchase? Currently I think if you try to buy too many handguns in a short time frame you get a wait (maybe a no I’ve only been grew lighted). I can see issues arise from the idea.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •