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  1. #61
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    Again, comparison schmarison, and all that...
    If anyone here truly believes that any babysitter for private gun sales will do anything to stop gun violence, fairy tales !
    If you think the government should have that much control over our everyday lives and you swallow their well distributed rationale then Ba-a-a-a-a!
    And finally, if you cannot for the life of you understand that the government passing more laws is not going to affect or steer or even mildly persuade any sort of criminal into becoming an upstanding law abiding citizen... there’s no help for you.
    We do not need more laws for the reasons stated. The government WANTS more laws to control the law abiding masses and turn more people into criminals so they can have more control. Period. Done.
    Last edited by Magdump; September 11th, 2019 at 08:25 PM.
    Contrary to popular belief, a head shot is not necessarily a guaranteed kill shot....but it sure does take the fight out of 'em.

    and if one in every 100,000,000 M&M's contained enough cyanide to kill a person, the Mars candy company would be forced by public outcry to correct itóóó
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  2. #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magdump View Post
    Period. Done.
    No more discussions about this topic. It has been decreed. I guess someone should close this thread before someone post something that someone else might not agree with.

  3. #63
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    I think that if trump loses and possibly even if he wins that we'll see some type of registration.
    Slowly but surely popular opinion is being turned against us.
    Sad to say it but I'm not sure how we can stop it.

  4. #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOTOR51 View Post
    PS- I have a little different perspective on illegal guns than some of you. The majority of firearms taken by myself off of criminals have been stolen, either from a car burglary or burglary of a home. I know that burglary is a crime but if people would just bring their firearms inside or at least lock them up in a vehicle and at home that would probably cut down on a lot of illegal firearms.


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    So the majority of firearms you take off the street wouldnít change with background checks.

    Also Iíve never had a gun stolen but Iíll never blame a gun owner for being a victim of theft. Cars are stolen and often involved in fatal accidents....man only if every car owner had a lockable garage right.

  5. #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtattoo79 View Post
    So the majority of firearms you take off the street wouldnít change with background checks.

    Also Iíve never had a gun stolen but Iíll never blame a gun owner for being a victim of theft. Cars are stolen and often involved in fatal accidents....man only if every car owner had a lockable garage right.
    I never blamed the gun owner but since you brought it up Iíll play. I think as a gun owner you are responsible to safeguard a deadly weapon. The whole ďcars kill peopleĒ is really silly and does nothing to change the minds of opposite minded people. A firearm was designed with one reason in mind so letís not compare apples to oranges. With that being said I am against a registry and Iím against banning firearms. I have my own ideas based on my personal experiences as Iím sure you do as well.


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  6. #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomer453 View Post
    I think that if trump loses and possibly even if he wins that we'll see some type of registration.
    Slowly but surely popular opinion is being turned against us.
    Sad to say it but I'm not sure how we can stop it.
    I agree. Walking around with a camera and provoking people to call the police is not going to stop it I can guarantee.


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  7. #67
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magdump View Post
    Again, comparison schmarison, and all that...
    If anyone here truly believes that any babysitter for private gun sales will do anything to stop gun violence, fairy tales !
    If you think the government should have that much control over our everyday lives and you swallow their well distributed rationale then Ba-a-a-a-a!
    And finally, if you cannot for the life of you understand that the government passing more laws is going to affect or steer or even mildly persuade any sort of criminal into becoming an upstanding law abiding citizen... thereís no help for you.
    We do not need more laws for the reasons stated. The government WANTS more laws to control the law abiding masses and turn more people into criminals so they can have more control. Period. Done.
    No one has suggested it will change a mindset but might put one more roadblock or hurdle to Jump through. I will never agree that every human being in the country should be allowed to have a firearm. Some people lose that right by the choices they make.


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  8. #68
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOTOR51 View Post
    I never blamed the gun owner but since you brought it up Iíll play. I think as a gun owner you are responsible to safeguard a deadly weapon. The whole ďcars kill peopleĒ is really silly and does nothing to change the minds of opposite minded people. A firearm was designed with one reason in mind so letís not compare apples to oranges. With that being said I am against a registry and Iím against banning firearms. I have my own ideas based on my personal experiences as Iím sure you do as well.


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    I donít feel guns were designed for mass murder as I donít feel cars were designed for fatal crashes but itís definitely a byproduct that criminals are normally to blame.

    If you ask a person that lost a child to a drunk driver in a stolen car they would feel one way about drunk drivers in stolen cars. Now ask a person that lost a child to a mass shooter that bought a firearm from a private seller they would feel one way about mass shooters and private sellers.

    I agree with you on the fact that change is on the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thperez1972 View Post
    No more discussions about this topic. It has been decreed. I guess someone should close this thread before someone post something that someone else might not agree with.
    show us how more laws will make criminals into law abiding citizens instead of law abiding citizens into felons overnight and I’ll read every word. Explain how you can possibly keep every criminal/felon/mass killer/ from ever possibly obtaining a gun and I’m your audience. I will also profess to the masses that I know and respect you as the authority on the subject and swear that you have the answer to save us all.

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    So far, all I’m reading is we need new laws or they’re gonna pass new laws we’ll just have to accept. We should not resist. We should welcome more laws.
    My point throughout this thread, and the reason I brought up the war on drugs is really quite simple:
    We have enough laws and governance.
    Laws don’t affect the lawless.
    Criminals don’t care about abiding by law unless there’s some sort of enforcer present and many times not even then.
    The more new laws and infringements that are taken up keep bringing the law abiding public into play, to suffer for the actions of those who do not abide by law and still, nothing is fixed. Which should make everyone question, who are they after anyway?
    And check this out, when the government finally admits that maybe there’s a mental health problem in this country to blame for all the mass killing, they don’t lift a finger to try to fix that either, instead devise a plan to immediately label someone as mentally ill (on a tip from a lay person at that!)so they can enforce new laws that strip them of their constitutional rights such as DUE PROCESS and the guarantee of innocence until guilt is proven. Never mind that every law abiding citizen in this country could potentially be disarmed in this manner.
    Last edited by Magdump; September 11th, 2019 at 10:08 PM.
    Contrary to popular belief, a head shot is not necessarily a guaranteed kill shot....but it sure does take the fight out of 'em.

    and if one in every 100,000,000 M&M's contained enough cyanide to kill a person, the Mars candy company would be forced by public outcry to correct itóóó
    Bangswitch

  10. #70
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOTOR51 View Post
    I never blamed the gun owner but since you brought it up I’ll play. I think as a gun owner you are responsible to safeguard a deadly weapon. The whole *cars kill people* is really silly and does nothing to change the minds of opposite minded people. A firearm was designed with one reason in mind so let’s not compare apples to oranges. With that being said I am against a registry and I’m against banning firearms. I have my own ideas based on my personal experiences as I’m sure you do as well.


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    So a car isn’t a deadly weapon? It’s not apples and oranges because both inanimate objects can be stolen and both can be used in crimes, and both can be used for murder. However, it is easier to catch a car thief in the act or with the goods. What about reasonable heavy blunt objects laws? Or common sense knife control?

    Yes they all sound ridiculous but I believe even in America where we have as the left says ‘a gun epidemic’ those are all weapons that are used if I remember the stats correctly more frequently used than guns in crimes. Please feel free to combat me with the stats if I’m wrong.

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