I’m afraid my manners will be my downfall

Paintball · Sep 25, 2019

Gator 45/70 said:
Lol,I'm not sticking around to verify that for you old buddy !

jhal23 said:
So just go around telling people to fire warning shots into the pavement... old buddy.

Bangswitch said:
I like to think there was a bit of comedy intended in Gators post.

DAVE_M · Sep 25, 2019

Bangswitch said:
I like to think there was a bit of comedy intended in Gators post.

You should brush up on Poe's Law.

Magdump · Sep 25, 2019

Bangswitch said:
I like to think there was a bit of comedy intended in Gators post.

Apparently some folks don’t know how to laugh...so sad.

Bangswitch · Sep 25, 2019

jhal23 said:
You should brush up on Poe's Law.

So I’m not sure if this makes me want to troll more or less. :eek3:

Bangswitch · Sep 25, 2019

Paintball said:

Now that’s funny chit.

Bangswitch · Sep 25, 2019

Ok to get things back on track here. Some of you guys suggested shining a suspect who continues to approach. Depending on the light, I could see someone attempting to press assault charges or something for shining them.

Anyone think this could be a problem. I mean it would have to be a high intensity light to be plausible.

Fred_G · Sep 25, 2019

I don't think you would have to shine it directly in their face, chest level would probably be enough to make them wonder WTF? I like this flashlight option, I will have to look into one. Heck, they are cheap and bright these days.

Big H · Sep 25, 2019

Ditto Magdump above---

Big H · Sep 25, 2019

Ditto Magdump above---

thperez1972 · Sep 25, 2019

Bangswitch said:
Ok to get things back on track here. Some of you guys suggested shining a suspect who continues to approach. Depending on the light, I could see someone attempting to press assault charges or something for shining them.

Anyone think this could be a problem. I mean it would have to be a high intensity light to be plausible.

"Police, I want to press charges on him."
"What did he do?"
"He shined a flashlight at me."

Assault defined - Assault is an attempt to commit a battery, or the intentional placing of another in reasonable apprehension of receiving a battery.
Battery defined - Battery is the intentional use of force or violence upon the person of another; or the intentional administration of a poison or other noxious liquid or substance to another.

No, I don't believe it would be a problem. I can't see a reasonable person make the jump from having a light shined on you to have force used against you. The only real exception would be if the light were attached to a weapon.

Gator 45/70 · Sep 25, 2019

jhal23 said:
So just go around telling people to fire warning shots into the pavement... old buddy.

Its easy, Just watch your feet...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54XT8_07Qk8

Gator 45/70 · Sep 25, 2019

Bangswitch said:
I like to think there was a bit of comedy intended in Gators post.

Hahaha, Your correct,Seldom do I get serious,Some know the drill,Some are just way to serious....

Bangswitch · Sep 25, 2019

thperez1972 said:
"Police, I want to press charges on him."
"What did he do?"
"He shined a flashlight at me."

Assault defined - Assault is an attempt to commit a battery, or the intentional placing of another in reasonable apprehension of receiving a battery.
Battery defined - Battery is the intentional use of force or violence upon the person of another; or the intentional administration of a poison or other noxious liquid or substance to another.

No, I don't believe it would be a problem. I can't see a reasonable person make the jump from having a light shined on you to have force used against you. The only real exception would be if the light were attached to a weapon.

You aren’t concerned shining a light that could cause short term flash blindness into someone’s eyes could be considered force or violence?

If in an obvious self defense scenario I’m sure you’ve got no problems, but if someone was a little too fast or even misinterpreted someone’s intentions and caused temporary vision loss (physically harmed someone) I could see consequences. Now is it possible to cause anything other than short term disorientation with a flashlight? I don’t know.

MOTOR51 · Sep 25, 2019

Bangswitch said:
You aren’t concerned shining a light that could cause short term flash blindness into someone’s eyes could be considered force or violence?

If in an obvious self defense scenario I’m sure you’ve got no problems, but if someone was a little too fast or even misinterpreted someone’s intentions and caused temporary vision loss (physically harmed someone) I could see consequences. Now is it possible to cause anything other than short term disorientation with a flashlight? I don’t know.

No, no, and no

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Bangswitch · Sep 25, 2019

MOTOR51 said:
No, no, and no

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Ok then you have spoken.

But seriously if you guys say it’s more than just a stretch to call shining someone assault it makes me feel pretty good about it as a deterrent.

thperez1972 · Sep 25, 2019

Bangswitch said:
You aren’t concerned shining a light that could cause short term flash blindness into someone’s eyes could be considered force or violence?

If in an obvious self defense scenario I’m sure you’ve got no problems, but if someone was a little too fast or even misinterpreted someone’s intentions and caused temporary vision loss (physically harmed someone) I could see consequences. Now is it possible to cause anything other than short term disorientation with a flashlight? I don’t know.

When you are driving at night and the car in the opposite lane is driving toward you with his brights on, do you make a u-turn and go make a citizen's arrest?

thperez1972 · Sep 25, 2019

Bangswitch said:
Ok then you have spoken.

But seriously if you guys say it’s more than just a stretch to call shining someone assault it makes me feel pretty good about it as a deterrent.

Best case scenario, it's a deterrent. Worst case scenario, it's an inconvenience.

geoney · Sep 26, 2019

Bangswitch said:
Ok then you have spoken.

But seriously if you guys say it’s more than just a stretch to call shining someone assault it makes me feel pretty good about it as a deterrent.

Light in the eyes will not be legally considered a "use of force."

DAVE_M · Sep 26, 2019

The sun should be charged with assault every day...

Bangswitch · Sep 26, 2019

thperez1972 said:
When you are driving at night and the car in the opposite lane is driving toward you with his brights on, do you make a u-turn and go make a citizen's arrest?

jhal23 said:
The sun should be charged with assault every day...

While I appreciate the satire. It’s the combination of light emitted, the concentration and focus of the light and where it’s aimed. Flash photography among other sources are known to damage the retina. Shining wildlife is already a crime in many states. It’s admittedly being used a weapon to stop a potential attack. If the would be attacker wasn’t actually going to attack you then you wouldn’t be defending yourself, you would be ‘attacking him with weaponized light’ (new demon for the left to attack as soon as the get all those pesky guns :noes:

).

And to some degree I’m playing the white devils advocate here (miss you Mr. Walton), because I surely wouldn’t try to charge anyone for that, but if my feeble mind can make the connection surely some scumbag who thinks defending yourself should be a crime and happens to be better at arguing than me surely could.

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