It's Your Ammo Not Your Pistol!

DAVE_M · Oct 15, 2019

Emperor said:
Do some of you guys realize that this is partly why there are less discussions on here about firearms content, and instead this site looks like Gun Broker? Gee whiz! Semantics, grammar, spelling, whatever. There may actually be some people who would like to participate in a discussion about firearms that may not be as smart, brilliant, cock-sure, experienced, witty, articulate, and all the other superlatives, but are missing out because they don't want to be called out for some inane BS.

Come on guys! Every time I log on I see less and less teaching and learning and more berating and browbeating.

Prez, you and Dave are smart guys; but let these other people breathe a little. If you guys are that proficient in everything to do with firearms you should have your own training schools, and/or firearms websites. My sole purpose was to offer a perspective on an experience I had while training. In case you may have missed it, I have said on here many times, browbeating me is a huge waste of time! I don't care!

I'm just trying to understand what we are talking about. I've never seen or heard of any "drill" where you would run away and shoot backwards.

It took a minute to clarify what you meant by stating USPSA competitors don't run and shoot. I can tolerate poor grammar and spelling if the information is sound.

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Emperor said:
Dave! Stop! See post #19

I saw it. I'm still confused as to what drill you're talking about.

Emperor · Oct 15, 2019

DAVE_M said:
I'm just trying to understand what we are talking about. I've never seen or heard of any "drill" where you would run away and shoot backwards.

It took a minute to clarify what you meant by stating USPSA competitors don't run and shoot. I can tolerate poor grammar and spelling if the information is sound.

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I saw it. I'm still confused as to what drill you're talking about.

Did it ever occur to you that you may not have seen or know every training exercise the exists? You have a search engine on your internet enabled device? You know, we can all learn something more than we think we know already. I am a conceited and narcissistic a$$hole, but even I understand that!

Emperor · Oct 15, 2019

Emperor said:
Did it ever occur to you that you may not have seen or know every training exercise the exists? You have a search engine on your internet enabled device? You know, we can all learn something more than we think we know already. I am a conceited and narcissistic a$$hole, but even I understand that!

Holy ****! That may not be a good idea after all! I put in; Moving off the x, and was inundated with porn sites. :rofl:

Good thing I didn't put triple x.

DAVE_M · Oct 15, 2019

Emperor said:
Did it ever occur to you that you may not have seen or know every training exercise the exists?

Absolutely.

Emperor said:
You have a search engine on your internet enabled device?

The only search results were Amazon links to the DVD collection you posted.

The reason I ask about the drill is because I've taken the time to delve more deeply into training and instruction, and have never encountered that drill before. I'm not quite sure what the goal is of the drill, assuming I understood it correctly. I would prefer not to buy a seven disc DVD collection to find out about a single drill that was mentioned on a forum. "Getting off the X" seems to have a different meaning in that collection of discs.

I'm not saying it doesn't have merit, I'm just not certain I understand it enough to make a decision if it does or not.

Emperor said:
You know, we can all learn something more than we think we know already. I am a conceited and narcissistic a$$hole, but even I understand that!

I don't disagree with either statement.

thperez1972 · Oct 15, 2019

Emperor said:
Do some of you guys realize that this is partly why there are less discussions on here about firearms content, and instead this site looks like Gun Broker? Gee whiz! Semantics, grammar, spelling, whatever. There may actually be some people who would like to participate in a discussion about firearms that may not be as smart, brilliant, cock-sure, experienced, witty, articulate, and all the other superlatives, but are missing out because they don't want to be called out for some inane BS.

Come on guys! Every time I log on I see less and less teaching and learning and more berating and browbeating.

Prez, you and Dave are smart guys; but let these other people breathe a little. If you guys are that proficient in everything to do with firearms you should have your own training schools, and/or firearms websites. My sole purpose was to offer a perspective on an experience I had while training. In case you may have missed it, I have said on here many times, browbeating me is a huge waste of time! I don't care!

Yes, there are people who would like to participate and learn. So when you describe what could arguably be a dangerous training technique, you bet you're going to be asked to explain it. I'd hate for a new shooter to read your drill and then shoot his buddy because he was running through the woods while firing his weapon without knowing what he was shooting at.

Bmash · Oct 15, 2019

Emperor said:
Do some of you guys realize that this is partly why there are less discussions on here about firearms content, and instead this site looks like Gun Broker? Gee whiz! Semantics, grammar, spelling, whatever. There may actually be some people who would like to participate in a discussion about firearms that may not be as smart, brilliant, cock-sure, experienced, witty, articulate, and all the other superlatives, but are missing out because they don't want to be called out for some inane BS.

Come on guys! Every time I log on I see less and less teaching and learning and more berating and browbeating.

Prez, you and Dave are smart guys; but let these other people breathe a little. If you guys are that proficient in everything to do with firearms you should have your own training schools, and/or firearms websites. My sole purpose was to offer a perspective on an experience I had while training. In case you may have missed it, I have said on here many times, browbeating me is a huge waste of time! I don't care!

^^this...
Informative post - thanks.

JR1572 · Oct 15, 2019

Emperor said:
Wait, what? My boy is back?

Paroled?

Welcome back man!

I shot many at the Ascension Sheriff's Range. Some in Mississippi. I shoot in production. It's been a while.

Yes, I’m back. Thanks. I shoot production also but I’m not classified yet. Almost there though...

DAVE_M · Oct 15, 2019

thperez1972 said:
Yes, there are people who would like to participate and learn. So when you describe what could arguably be a dangerous training technique, you bet you're going to be asked to explain it. I'd hate for a new shooter to read your drill and then shoot his buddy because he was running through the woods while firing his weapon without knowing what he was shooting at.

What he said.

jdavid1 · Oct 15, 2019

Emperor said:
Moving off the x requires you to haul ass AWAY (as your back to your target), running as fast as you can, shooting behind you (actually trying to either hit your threat or suppress it with fire), and watching where you are running.

So you are running up range throwing rounds downrange while looking where you are running and not where your rounds are going??? Seems like a good drill to run. Was this book written by John Wick?

jdavid1 · Oct 15, 2019

JR1572 said:
Yes, I’m back. Thanks. I shoot production also but I’m not classified yet. Almost there though...

Where have you been shooting?

Emperor · Oct 15, 2019

thperez1972 said:
Yes, there are people who would like to participate and learn. So when you describe what could arguably be a dangerous training technique, you bet you're going to be asked to explain it. I'd hate for a new shooter to read your drill and then shoot his buddy because he was running through the woods while firing his weapon without knowing what he was shooting at.

This thread was never about anyone duplicating my exercise. I do believe that over the course of interrogation that I have at least painted an image of what it may look like. This was about a misfire during an exercise, and what my thoughts were concerning it and how I went about trying to understand it, learn from it, and remedy it.

If it leads to broader knowledge through Q&A, and it widens the discussion; I'm all for it. Is that where we are?

jdavid1 · Oct 15, 2019

Emperor said:
But no competitor in USPSA matches is running simultaneously while actually firing the gun.

Uh, yes they are. If you are not then you are doing it wrong.

Emperor · Oct 15, 2019

JR1572 said:
Yes, I’m back. Thanks. I shoot production also but I’m not classified yet. Almost there though...

Stay on it. I learned from some really good shooters. They are great guys! They used to win all the time in their classes. Those matches are a kick in the ass too. I just didn't have the time as much, and when it's hot; forget it! Now, hunting season is on and I am all in on that.

I would love to shoot a match with you some day!

JR1572 · Oct 15, 2019

jdavid1 said:
Where have you been shooting?

Amite.

Emperor · Oct 15, 2019

DAVE_M said:
I don't disagree with either statement.

Particularly the second part? :kiss:

jdavid1 · Oct 15, 2019

That's where I shoot. I'm sure we've run into each other out there.

thperez1972 · Oct 15, 2019

Emperor said:
This thread was never about anyone duplicating my exercise. I do believe that over the course of interrogation that I have at least painted an image of what it may look like. This was about a misfire during an exercise, and what my thoughts were concerning it and how I went about trying to understand it, learn from it, and remedy it.

If it leads to broader knowledge through Q&A, and it widens the discussion; I'm all for it. Is that where we are?

Your intent does not matter. I have a mental picture of what the technique may look like. Hence, this and other replies. While you may have not started this thread with the intent of having someone duplicate your training, there is noting to prevent someone from duplicating your training. So every time you or I or Dave or anyone discusses any potentially dangerous training, it will be discussed. That is where we are now and that is where we were before. And if someone somewhere describes a dangerous technique, we will be there as well, regardless of the context of the post in which the technique was described.

JR1572 · Oct 15, 2019

jdavid1 said:
That's where I shoot. I'm sure we've run into each other out there.

I’m sure we have. I’ve been at the last few matches stinking up the place in production...

Emperor · Oct 15, 2019

jdavid1 said:
So you are running up range throwing rounds downrange while looking where you are running and not where your rounds are going??? Seems like a good drill to run. Was this book written by John Wick?

With all due respect, I do not know who you are. One thing I can probably correctly guess is you have no idea what my situation is or what I may have as a range, or what I can and can't safely do there.

But, if snide backhanded comments (John Wick), are your thing; you may have arrived here about 3-4 years too late. This place has had a litany of some of the best backhanded comment throwers I've ever seen!

DAVE_M · Oct 15, 2019

Since we're discussing ammunition related malfunctions that happened during a specific drill, can you explain what the drill entails and how you would remedy the issue?

I fully understand that the real world isn't a flat range, but it's difficult to practice something that may require pointing the barrel uprange without having a range with 360 degree coverage.

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