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Fair enough! What do I need to add to help people better understand where we are at?
Production is a tough division. Especially with the last two matches out there. You will get better with time, or just switch to another division like I did. My initials are T.D. I've been shooting PCC the last few times out there trying to get classified in that. I'm about to switch to Carry optics to give that division a try.
You're right. I don't know you or your situation. If I understand your drill correctly, you could be in a 360 berm range and your drill still sounds dangerous and unnecessary. Maybe I am misunderstanding your drill. Could you post a video of a similar drill?
They are.
This place has had a litany of some of the best backhanded comment throwers I've ever seen!
Looking forward to the challenge.
Yeah, I think we talked after the match by my suv.
I’m shooting production until I get classified and I’m probably going to go limited minor. I may get a PCC too. I don’t know yet.
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Fair enough!
The drill was introduced to me by Patrick Kilchermen. He founded Concealed Carry University! He was at one time a higher up at USCCA. He may or may not have designed this drill! It is to simulate defending yourself from an immediate threat (shooting once or twice even), and then hauling ass to put some distance between you and the threat. As we all know, a threat is still a threat until the threat is completely disabled or killed. The run and shoot is designed to offer some time to gain distance and to possible stop the threat from shooting at you in the back as you are getting away. Even suppressive fire will most likely deter a threat from honing in on an aim point unless he/she has nerves of steel. He stresses the importance of always watching where you are running to avoid a fall or trip, and possibly an accidental disarming, or worse; hence the shooting behind you. The drill is inherently dangerous because, yes; you are possibly throwing bullets blindly behind you. Practicing this shooting technique is dangerous. You must have a safe place in which you can perform this. Most don't! I do! Ultimately, it is a situation where you know you are in imminent danger of being killed, and if you are; you are either going to throw bullets behind you as you are escaping, or you are not. There are videos of it. It looks just as sound a technique for its purpose as any other technique I've seen for their particular purposes.
Where I shoot, it is fraught with uneven ground, wet areas, mud, trees, etc. I have a lot of room for error and have no chance of striking a fellow shooter or anyone else, unless I deliberately choose to do so.
Out of safety, I would not try this if you cannot safely perform this where you shoot. But we are grown ups, you can decide for yourselves.
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When skilled shooters can make C zone hits at 10-15 yards in increments of 0.20-30 second splits, why would you be concerned with running away?
The adage is "shoot to stop the threat." It's not "shoot a little and run away while shooting."
Let me see if I have it still in my email.
There’s been some changes at home (for the better) and I have time on my weekends off to shoot in matches so I’ve been slowly wading into the water. I really enjoy it and my shooting is getting better. The shooting and moving is fun. Stage planning is a major part of it too and it’s kinda fun when your plan falls apart and you just have to wing it.
My quick response may be; body armor?!?
A more thoughtful response may be a self defense scenario is as fluid as a waterfall. If there was a one-size fits all solution to EVERY scenario, this CC thing would be a breeze! I have, and I know you have, seen enough videos of actual shooting caught on tape to know that many of them play out differently and outside of what we may have thought was the scripted outcome.
I guess what I am meaning is, this drill is but one of what; hundreds?
Yes, there are many drills. What specific techniques are sharpened during the "run away while randomly shooting behind you" drill?
Perhaps!
Besides, I have heard countless people on here, in self defense videos, elsewhere say they aren't sticking around to see what happens next in some scenario's. I know I have written on this forum a few times myself. I have kids and a wife. My throw caution to the wind and fight it out with a possible nutjob or killer to see who is the last man standing attitude died in high school. If I can get the hell out of dodge instead of standing there trading bullets, I'm a wisp of smoke. If tossing a few bullets behind me helps to that end, I'm throwing them.
I'm just kind of confused still. Let's add direction to it and an X/Y plane:
Bad guy is at coordinate (5, 10)
You are at coordinate (5, 5), 5 units south of bad guy. He is 5 units north of you.
I assume you get off the x, and you move in a direction that is (possibly, though not required) related to what hand the guy is holding a gun in. Lets say you move southwest to (3, 3). That's getting off the X.
Now to where I am confused: Are you facing bad guy (5,10), still, and backing up while shooting? Or are you facing south, running, and trying to hit the target while faced away? That's what this drill has sounded like so far. Do initial shots take place as you move off the X?
Bad guy is at coordinate (5, 10)
You are at coordinate (5, 5), 5 units south of bad guy. He is 5 units north of you.
I assume you get off the x, and you move in a direction that is (possibly, though not required) related to what hand the guy is holding a gun in. Lets say you move southwest to (3, 3). That's getting off the X.
Now to where I am confused: Are you facing bad guy (5,10), still, and backing up while shooting? Or are you facing south, running, and trying to hit the target while faced away? That's what this drill has sounded like so far. Do initial shots take place as you move off the X?
I don't have a definitive answer to that yet. I do know that before that outing, I never tried to actually run away from a target (threat), at full draw or not. Much less while shooting, whether suppressive or with intent to kill. It was exhilarating to say the least. It was liberating after that. It's not necessarily random when you try it and start realizing it takes some practice and ultimately some skill to hit that steel plate as you are hauling ass.
One thing that I know people are not trying enough if at all, is running away from ANY threat with their gun in hand. Try it, if you haven't. You'll find yourself thinking about it. You'll damn sure be thinking about where you are running to and what is in front of you. And that is what training is all about right? To get better at something, anything, that could put us in a better position to survive?
Yeah, don't worry about that whole "you are responsible for every shot you fire" thing. Just throw rounds at random while looking the other way. Are you seriously not seeing how this is ridiculous and unsafe in any environment?
Not you too!
Just kidding!I assume you get off the x, and you move in a direction that is (possibly, though not required) related to what hand the guy is holding a gun in.
Yes, and no. But for the most part, you are putting "any" distance between you and the threat.
Are you facing bad guy (5,10), still, and backing up while shooting? Or are you facing south, running, and trying to hit the target while faced away? That's what this drill has sounded like so far. Do initial shots take place as you move off the X?
You are running away. I suppose if you were so inclined, you could run zig-zag, or east or west. The idea is to get off of the x (the spot where you are at when an imminent possibly deadly scenario begins).
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