Is that a hasty generalization or are you just showing us what could be an isolated example of bad QC?
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Is that a hasty generalization or are you just showing us what could be an isolated example of bad QC?
I'll stipulate PSA's quality control could be lower than other brands but I don't believe a conclusion about any manufacturer can be drawn by observing one item. Or two. Or three. There are plenty of other factors to consider such as the number of items sold. Company A can have twice as many QC failures as Company B but if Company A sells three times the number of units as Company B, Company A has a lower QC failure rate.
When Company A has a higher percentage of QC failures as Company B, even though Company A sells five times as many rifles as Company B, that's a problem.
Companies such as PSA often manufacture items in house in large quantities and outsource parts in large quantities. A common fallacy is that a part comes from company X, spec'd for company Y, so it must be good. However, company X is manufacturing that part to tolerances that increase production and doesn't perform QC checks on every parts leaving the door, because that would increase cost. So when company Y gets the part, there is a potential for failure. Example: FN sends CHF blanks to PSA. Those finished barrels are of a lesser quality than the CHF barrels being produced by FN. Aero Precision, DC Machine, Azimuth, and Microbest are just a few OEM's that I can think of off the top of my head. Azimuth itself supplies parts to hundreds of companies. That doesn't mean all of those parts are created equal.
I don't believe a conclusion about a manufacturer can be drawn by observing one, two, or three items, but when you've had multiple parts fail, see how many questions are raised, and see parts failures and QC slips, you can come to the conclusion that the manufacturer is making lesser quality parts. You don't see PSA rifles being sold to major agencies. All of that being said, if someone wants to buy a budget rifle as a range toy, to familiarize themselves with the platform, and potentially use it as a guinea pig to pull apart, by all means... go for it. Just don't go on the wonderful interwebs and argue with people that it's God's gift to man, because it's far from it.
This picture just popped up on my feed. So when people say it's a rarity, I beg to differ.
Bravo...now you're getting it. Without know all of that extra data, anyone can put whatever numbers they want in there to show whatever they want it to show. Well...I know I don't have the numbers. Maybe you know how many units the companies sell and the number of QC failures they have. If you do, I'm sure people would be interested in knowing them.
When/where was this? Haven't ran across it
A day on the range with a friend that had multiple guns for T&E. The gun was sent back to Springfield, to my knowledge, so I’m curious to see what they will do. The firearm was a Springfield SAINT Edge pistol. Retail is $1380 if I recall. Gen 2 and 3 PMAG’s would not drop free and had to be forcibly removed from the magwell. After a few magazines, the handguard screws began loosening and the handguard was rotating while firing. I removed one of the screws and found that they were all loose and zero threadlocker was applied.
A few weeks prior, I was shown photos of a SAINT rifle that arrived to the dealer without a gas tube roll pin installed and there was carbon buildup near the gas port, so it was test fired at least once.
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The guy already bought the rifle. It's not like he's going to get another. I was going to recommend a m&p 15. But too late for that.
There's countless YouTube videos on how to clean them and maintain them. Watch a bunch and see which you think is the best way. Everyone has their method. Or look at the instructions or contact the manufacturer to see how to.
I shoot the cheapest ammo I can find most of the time which is usually steel case Russian stuff. It just needs to go bang. If it burns dirty or isn't brass, I don't care. I'm not looking for fancy brass to hit a tick off a cows butt at 500 yards.
For home defense I use what works. I use rounds that I've shot a thousand or 2 or 3 through the gun. For defense fancy ammo, usually the price is very high and I'm not willing to make sure my gun is reliable shooting so much of it. I rather buy cheaper ammo, make sure it's reliable and practice so I can actually hit the target.
If you are scared of over penetration, go set up some small walls for how your home is built. For example, dry wall, then 3/8" plywood, then another sheet of dry wall. Make 2, 4 or 6 and line them up. See what it goes through. Make your choice after you see the results. Or trust what the internet says.
I do QC of machined parts for a living. There's always a potential for failure. A lot of people diss hi point pistols but that's all some people can afford. That's OK. These are just my opinion and what works for me.
There's countless YouTube videos on how to clean them and maintain them. Watch a bunch and see which you think is the best way. Everyone has their method. Or look at the instructions or contact the manufacturer to see how to.
I shoot the cheapest ammo I can find most of the time which is usually steel case Russian stuff. It just needs to go bang. If it burns dirty or isn't brass, I don't care. I'm not looking for fancy brass to hit a tick off a cows butt at 500 yards.
For home defense I use what works. I use rounds that I've shot a thousand or 2 or 3 through the gun. For defense fancy ammo, usually the price is very high and I'm not willing to make sure my gun is reliable shooting so much of it. I rather buy cheaper ammo, make sure it's reliable and practice so I can actually hit the target.
If you are scared of over penetration, go set up some small walls for how your home is built. For example, dry wall, then 3/8" plywood, then another sheet of dry wall. Make 2, 4 or 6 and line them up. See what it goes through. Make your choice after you see the results. Or trust what the internet says.
I do QC of machined parts for a living. There's always a potential for failure. A lot of people diss hi point pistols but that's all some people can afford. That's OK. These are just my opinion and what works for me.
