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  1. #1
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    Your budget AR is not "just as good"

    There are people on this forum that will tell you brand X is just as good as brand Y, but will never explain why other than saying "well I have 100 flawless rounds through mine without an issue." Those people are clueless. Everyone harps on the AR being like building Lego blocks, but it's really far from it, especially if you tend to use cheap parts. Just because you hear that brand X has parts made by brand Y, does not mean those parts are the same. Often times they are worse, but occasionally they will be better. When they are better it's due to the company having those parts made to their specifications performing additional checks and tests on those parts to ensure they meet a set of standards. In a previous thread, I posted videos of DC Machine, where the majority of PSA parts are made. That company is pushing out 2000+ receivers a week, but only check a small percentage of those parts leaving the shop. This leaves a greater margin for errors. While you feel you're getting a deal, you won't know until you check it. Having the right tools to check these things is important.

    If you're serious about the AR platform, I suggest watching this video and reading through these links.



    https://www.arbuildjunkie.com/school...ers-qa-part-1/

    https://www.instagram.com/schoolofth...anrifle/?hl=en

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    I have recreational ARs from PSA and they are fine for casual shooting.
    For self defense and serious practice I have two identically specced Colt ARs.

    Everything has its place it’s just important to know where that place is for your needs.
    PSA: run up on me while I'm getting my Beef and Cheddar on and point a gun or gun like object in my face, be prepared to catch some hot ones. -Vanilla Gorilla

    Okay, why the hell is there a cock picture in my thread? -JWG223

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesy Lasagna View Post
    I have recreational ARs from PSA and they are fine for casual shooting.
    For self defense and serious practice I have two identically specced Colt ARs.

    Everything has its place it’s just important to know where that place is for your needs.
    Skip to 1:21:00 in the video.

  4. #4
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    A) Buy a low end PSA AR-15 for $500. Sell down the road on Bayoushooter for $400.


    B) Buy $1500 worth of high-end parts for your AR-15. Sell your fancy frankenpew on Bayoushooter for how much? $750-800?

    C) Buy something not shit that holds its value like a SCAR, MCX, Tavor, etc.


    (I’m halfway through B and wishing I’d gone A or C. Cadillac frankenpew runs great but i know damn well i’ll lose my ass if/when it comes time to sell.)
    Last edited by 340six; January 30th, 2020 at 12:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyG View Post
    Buy a low end PSA AR-15 for $500. Sell down the road on Bayoushooter for $400.


    Buy $1500 worth of high-end parts for your AR-15. Sell your fancy frankenpew on Bayoushooter for how much?
    Most people think their $500 budget gun is worth $3000, because they attached $1500 in trinkets to it. Take a look at the classifieds today and you will see a few.

    Used Glocks are worth triple as well.
    Last edited by 340six; January 30th, 2020 at 12:43 AM.

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    I have both ends of the spectrum and have shot a bunch out of both and seen a bunch more shot out of both in a variety of settings.

    "Budget" AR's these days work remarkably well in general. Most people will never outshoot them, either mechanically or accuracy wise.

    Would I pick up a PSA over a "top shelf" brand? No, but I'd suggest most people buy 2 "budget" guns and then try to wear one out in training and competition, at which point they will 1) spend more in ammo than those guns cost and 2) spend WAY more in time than those guns cost and then - after observing their own experiences putting say 10K rounds downrange, and having seen another 200K-500k++ rounds as others shot their guns of various stripes and kinds - then go spend real money on something.

    Clint Smith gave me similar advice relative to bolt guns and I didnt' want to hear that almost 20 years ago(!) but he was 100% correct. Wear out any rifle that is adequate and then you'll have a clue as to what works, what works for you, and what you want/value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyG View Post
    A) Buy a low end PSA AR-15 for $500. Sell down the road on Bayoushooter for $400.


    B) Buy $1500 worth of high-end parts for your AR-15. Sell your fancy frankenpew on Bayoushooter for $750-800?

    C) Buy something n
    that holds its value like a SCAR, MCX, Tavor, etc.


    (I’m halfway through B and wishing I’d gone A or C. Cadillac frankenpew runs great but i know damn well i’ll lose my ass if/when it comes time to sell.)
    I don’t want this to come off wrong. Sometimes we all get in a bind and need to sell some stuff, but I never buy a personal use item considering resale. It’s almost always a bad investment.

    Real estate is the only thing I buy with my money that I treat as an investment for resale.

    That said, that logic allows me buy what I dang well please so long as I can afford it.

    I say buy or build what works for you.

    Also I never sell guns. Maybe I don’t have enough but it seems like a cardinal sin to me.
    Last edited by 340six; January 30th, 2020 at 12:44 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangris1 View Post
    I have both ends of the spectrum and have shot a bunch out of both and seen a bunch more shot out of both in a variety of settings.

    "Budget" AR's these days work remarkably well in general. Most people will never outshoot them, either mechanically or accuracy wise.

    Would I pick up a PSA over a "top shelf" brand? No, but I'd suggest most people buy 2 "budget" guns and then try to wear one out in training and competition, at which point they will 1) spend more in ammo than those guns cost and 2) spend WAY more in time than those guns cost and then - after observing their own experiences putting say 10K rounds downrange, and having seen another 200K-500k++ rounds as others shot their guns of various stripes and kinds - then go spend real money on something.

    Clint Smith gave me similar advice relative to bolt guns and I didnt' want to hear that almost 20 years ago(!) but he was 100% correct. Wear out any rifle that is adequate and then you'll have a clue as to what works, what works for you, and what you want/value.
    I don't disagree. I'd rather see someone buy a budget gun and take enough classes for it to fall apart than see them shoot 500 rounds a year and proclaim it's better than an actualy quality firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bangswitch View Post
    I say buy or build what works for you.
    The works for me mentality is why people believe the $350 AR-15 they bought is the equivalent to a reliable and quality carbine.

  10. #10
    Don’t troll me bro!

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    Been building buying and shooting what I want for over 30 years. Owned plenty of each extreme. I’ve seen the top quality stuff fail and had plenty of lower cost stuff that has indeed stood the test of time. The best part of all that is judging for myself what is what and although I definitely take note of the manufacturer and as much factual info as I can remember about a firearm or part or accessory, I’ve never believed that I have to buy the most expensive thing or even close to it to have something dependable and of quality. I say this a lot, but every gun or gun related purchase on my part is not to add to my self defense plan. I own firearms for a variety of reasons.

    That being said, being a builder, I can and I have, on a budget, built AR 15 rifles that perform as well as high dollar AR 15 rifles. They have been as dependable, as accurate, as functional, and as durable as high dollar AR rifles and many I have built from PSA and other mixed manufacturers using discounted or lower cost premium barrels. At this point in my experience I know that all the basic and small milspec build parts I buy from PSA are of more than adequate quality for anything I’d want to build.
    I may or may not buy the top dollar optics, stocks, grips or hand guards for an AR but don’t consider any of that to be what makes a rifle.
    I started shooting AR’s when there were only a couple of manufacturers in the game. How glad are the majority of AR15 owners that there are so many other companies making and selling rifles and parts? If Colt and Armalite were the only 2 yesterday and Daniel Defense started up today, they’d be the underdog, likely for many years to come. They’d be priced accordingly or they’d likely go out of business.
    I believe they are on par with Colt and Armalite. Just because they aren’t asking a premium doesn’t mean they’re sub par. PSA sells directly to the consumer. That’s why their products are lower priced. Try to purchase a FN CHF barrel from another company like the ones PSA sells on some of their complete uppers and you’ll find they run a couple hundred bucks more than that upper.
    While it’s usually true, you get what you pay for, it’s not always true that the highest priced rifle is always better.
    Doesn’t play well with TROLLS...

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