Join BayouShooter For Free

Page 1 of 6 12 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 51
  1. #1
    La. CHP Instructor #409

    Premium Member

    User Info Menu

    Proposed BATFE Form 4473 Change.

    Proposed ATF 4473 Change Includes Three Gender Choices


    On December 26, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives issued a 60-day notice seeking public comment on the new revision of the Form 4473 – Firearms Transaction Record (see the announcement in the Federal Register here). The action is required in accordance with the Paperwork Reduction Act of 1995 (“PRA”). In essence, the PRA requires government agencies to seek approval every three years for continued use of forms utilized by government agencies and to seek public comment on the form or its new revision, if applicable.
    The ATF has changed the Form 4473 and as such, is seeking public comment on the new form.

    Changes to the Form 4473 include the following:
    In general, the Draft Form 4473 no longer has references to “See Instruction for…” to highlight on the Form that there is an instruction for the specific box.

    Section A is now the Section identifying the firearm (old Section C). It only contains information on the firearm and the firearm transaction, and does not include the “For Use By Licensee” box, nor the box into which FFLs enter their Name, Address, and FFL number.
    Additionally, where the old Form had 4 line items to enter firearms, the new Form only has 3. There has been a Firearms Transaction Record Continuation Sheet issued as well – which may be viewed here – where quantities of firearms in excess of 3 will be identified.

    Section B is now the Section in which the Transferee enters their personal information (i.e., formerly Section A).
    The “County” box has been revised to include “Parish/Borough”.
    The “Sex” box has been revised to include a third option of “Non-Binary”.
    The “UPIN” box has been revised to include “Appeals Management Database Identification (AMD ID)”.
    The Citizenship information (Country of Citizenship and US-issued alien or admission number) has been moved to precede the prohibitor questions.
    The question asking the Transferee whether they are under indictment or information in any court for a felony has been revised to include: “or are you a current member of the military who has been charged with violations of the Uniform Code of Military Justice and whose charges have been referred to a General Court-Martial?”.
    The question asking the Transferee whether they have been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence has been revised to include: “or are you or have you ever been a member of the military and been convicted of a crime that included, as an element, the use of force against a person as identified in the instructions?”.
    The prohibition questions regarding Citizenship (e.g., renounced US citizenship, illegal alien, etc.) have been moved away from the general Citizenship information, see above.
    The Transferee’s certification date has been split into three boxes for Month / Day / Year.

    Section C is now the Section wherein the Transferor records Transferee identification information and NICS / Background check information.

    The “Supplemental Government Issued Documentation” box has been revised to include a statement highlighting the space should also be completed if the photographic identification does not include their full legal name.
    A new box has been created in which the Transferor will record “Official Military Orders Establishing Permanent Change of Station (PCS); PCS Base/City and State; PCS Effective Date; PCS Order Number (if any)”.

    Section D is now the Section wherein the Transferee would sign to recertify that their answers are still true and correct when the transfer of the firearm(s) occur on a different day than the date on which they originally completed and signed the form.

    Section E is new, and is now the Section in which the FFL has the “For Use by Licensee” box, the Name/Address/FFL Number box, and the certification / signature.

    The box for “Transferor/Seller’s Title” has been removed.

  2. #2
    Marksman

    Premium Member

    User Info Menu


  3. #3
    Marksman

    User Info Menu

    Out of all the changes the BATFE should be focusing on. This is where they are focusing their attention, time and energy? Instead of worrying about hurting some trans gender persons feelings, how about we focus on getting our SECOND AMENDMENT BACK!?

  4. #4
    Marksman

    Gold Member

    User Info Menu

    Just how many hermaphrodite's are out there buying firearms?
    "When You Go Home, Tell Them Of Us And Say, For Your Tomorrow, We Gave Our's Today"

    Voting is the responsibility of a citizen, even if voting may not necessarily be obligatory. To not vote seems to me to be an abrogation of one's responsibility as a citizen, regardless of one's politics.

  5. #5
    Don’t troll me bro!

    User Info Menu

    SMH...
    Doesn’t play well with TROLLS...

  6. #6
    Marksman

    Premium Member

    User Info Menu

    These changes make sense to me. I'm not sure that I'd call this the high priority work of government, but it makes sense that the form continues to evolve.

    It never made sense to me why the question about citizenship was so low on the form. Again, it doesn't really matter much to me ... but I don't think there's any grand conspiracy here. I think this is just the usual evolution that forms like this go through.

    Mike
    ΦΒΚ. Honi soit qui mal y pense.

  7. #7
    Marksman

    User Info Menu

    And here I was worried they would make us assign a gender to the firearm being purchased. I’m not down with that. I want my guns to be able to explore their sexuality and decide for themselves what gender they want to be. Dodged a bullet there. Seriously, I just dodged a bullet apparently my hunting rifle is a little pissy I keep calling her a him... or was it him a her. Someone pull the emergency stop I got to get off this crazy train.

  8. #8
    Marksman

    User Info Menu

    Quote Originally Posted by RaleighReloader View Post
    These changes make sense to me. I'm not sure that I'd call this the high priority work of government, but it makes sense that the form continues to evolve.

    It never made sense to me why the question about citizenship was so low on the form. Again, it doesn't really matter much to me ... but I don't think there's any grand conspiracy here. I think this is just the usual evolution that forms like this go through.

    Mike
    It’s just a waste. But for the 0.2% (if I recall) a simple test will solve your confusion. Take your right hand tug at your wasteland. Then take your left (because we shake hands with our right) and reach into your pants. Then tell person to the left or right of you what you feel and chances are if they are 2yo or older they can tell what your sex is. Warning this could be misconstrued as something other than a gender inquisition so best to do it in a safe space.

  9. #9
    Sic semper tyrannis

    User Info Menu

    What if you identify as a binary trigger?
    Free men are not equal. Equal men are not free.

    I like guns because they're f*cking awesome.

  10. #10
    -Global Mod-

    User Info Menu

    Quote Originally Posted by Bangswitch View Post
    And here I was worried they would make us assign a gender to the firearm being purchased. I’m not down with that. I want my guns to be able to explore their sexuality and decide for themselves what gender they want to be. Dodged a bullet there. Seriously, I just dodged a bullet apparently my hunting rifle is a little pissy I keep calling her a him... or was it him a her. Someone pull the emergency stop I got to get off this crazy train.
    As it is they already have brought race into it. I own a Black Rifle. And have claimed it has assaulted someone with no proof. Where is the ACLU when I need them?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •