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  • Bangswitch

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    Anyone ever have to deal with a shady member in a club of camp. We got a guy who has shot and recovered and shot and wounded a pile of deer probably close to 10 or more.

    As a side note i believe if you wound an animal it should go against you limit. if you don’t that’s fine we can be friends but that’s my personal ethics. Yours can be your own.

    Killing deer is all good and fine. After all that is why we hunt them, but here’s the problem at least one hasn’t met our rules (state minimum rack size) and his buck limit for the year has likely been exceeded since his recent kill, which seemed like it was some cloak and dagger surrounding it. He didn’t skin it at camp and ghosted everyone on our group message. Then later copped to killing a doe. Other people have suggested maybe the ones he wounded maybe were recovered and he’s just being greedy.

    Just wondering what you guys have had to put up with.
     

    YoungMarine

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    Your club should vote on removing him if he has broken rules. Personally, I wouldn’t want to hunt or hang out with the guy you described. Sounds like he might be blindly shooting at anything that moves...
     

    drill sgt

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    if things are as you say then maybe something should be done as a CLUB / CAMP in addressing the issues ...has anyone else expressed the same concerns that you stated ... if so how have they tried to do anything to make this issue be resolved.... if the CLUB / CAMP doesn't see this as a problem then maybe YOU need to step back and make a decision as to if you can be associated with this type of behavior and or lack of response . yes I know that these CLUBS /CAMPS are not cheap and can be very costly to stay a member but do YOU have to as a member either get this cleaned up or break up with this CLUB /CAMP or go find one that YOU are more comfortable with the way that they conduct bussiness ..... ..................................drill sgt.
     

    Akajun

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    That’s an easy fix , throw him out and ban him from coming back as a guest.
    I go to my camp to relax , if your doing dumb **** and causing problems for me you won’t be around
     

    SouthernUnderGod

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    I would be worried that his offenses might lead to inconvenience or embarrassment of other members. Even if you don’t have any infractions you could be detained or have to defend against an accusation while an enforcement action runs its course. In many cases and jurisdictions they seize your firearms. In some they seize equipment also.

    As I see it, you either need to confront him (and be prepared for a denial and a debate) or revoke his membership. My suggestion is to either ask him to leave or just not renew his membership for the next term.

    I’ve been around camps that require members and guests to sign a pledge to comply with wildlife rules and regulations. Some have obligated participants to voluntarily call DWF on themselves in the event of an accidental infraction.

    There is a risk of a camp getting a bad reputation and that can lead to surprise appearances from wardens or other LEOs.

    I was raised in a family that insisted on safety and lawful hunting. I’m proud of that. I don’t want to be painted with the same brush as a sneaky, unethical person.

    In the event that your other members don’t want to man-up, I would find another place to hunt.


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    Gator 45/70

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    Anyone ever have to deal with a shady member in a club of camp. We got a guy who has shot and recovered and shot and wounded a pile of deer probably close to 10 or more.

    As a side note i believe if you wound an animal it should go against you limit. if you don’t that’s fine we can be friends but that’s my personal ethics. Yours can be your own.

    Killing deer is all good and fine. After all that is why we hunt them, but here’s the problem at least one hasn’t met our rules (state minimum rack size) and his buck limit for the year has likely been exceeded since his recent kill, which seemed like it was some cloak and dagger surrounding it. He didn’t skin it at camp and ghosted everyone on our group message. Then later copped to killing a doe. Other people have suggested maybe the ones he wounded maybe were recovered and he’s just being greedy.

    Just wondering what you guys have had to put up with.

    Sounds like he may be a Democrat?
     

    Bangswitch

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    I would be worried that his offenses might lead to inconvenience or embarrassment of other members. Even if you don’t have any infractions you could be detained or have to defend against an accusation while an enforcement action runs its course. In many cases and jurisdictions they seize your firearms. In some they seize equipment also.

    As I see it, you either need to confront him (and be prepared for a denial and a debate) or revoke his membership. My suggestion is to either ask him to leave or just not renew his membership for the next term.

    I’ve been around camps that require members and guests to sign a pledge to comply with wildlife rules and regulations. Some have obligated participants to voluntarily call DWF on themselves in the event of an accidental infraction.

    There is a risk of a camp getting a bad reputation and that can lead to surprise appearances from wardens or other LEOs.

    I was raised in a family that insisted on safety and lawful hunting. I’m proud of that. I don’t want to be painted with the same brush as a sneaky, unethical person.

    In the event that your other members don’t want to man-up, I would find another place to hunt.


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    I welcome the warden he’s a really nice guy, and one of our members is a sheriff deputy. So I’m not bothered by there presence and we regularly request extra patrol due to suspected poaching.

    The big problem we have here is the unknown. I know what I think happened and I saw one spike he killed and I know others have expressed concerns to me privately about supposed unrecovered game. But people make mistakes and while I am not a fan of shooting spikes and calling it a mistake some times genuine mistakes happen. And sometimes you hit a deer square in the lungs and it doesn’t bleed I’ve had some weird things happen with me.

    I’m not the deer police and I don’t think anyone wants to have to be. It’s just a shame to see people with such little integrity.
     

    Magdump

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    Whatever path you take with said offender, be prepared for trouble and hope there won’t be any. If you all agree to have him ousted from the club it may be best to have the deal set to happen all at once, with a few of you (if not all of you) at the camp gate ready to ask him for keys on the spot, help him remove any and all personal items at that time no matter the chore or his rebuttal, and any sort of partial refund he may have due and try to leave it as friendly as possible. Anyone willing to cheat fellow club members and break federal and state hunting regs definitely has the potential to cause big trouble in the name of perceived retribution. If there’s a small crowd there and it stays friendly, the senior members calling him out and explaining the situation, helping him remove stands or what have you and escorting him out, it’s done then and there. Securing the keys will likely keep him from coming back and pissing all over the woods or showing up when everyone is working and damaging stands or anything else.
    If I thought he was any sort of threat or nuisance I’d have him trespassed as well.
    I may be way off base, but like I said, if he’s willing to be a cheat when things are good, he’s someone to watch when things get bad.
     

    Bangswitch

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    Whatever path you take with said offender, be prepared for trouble and hope there won’t be any. If you all agree to have him ousted from the club it may be best to have the deal set to happen all at once, with a few of you (if not all of you) at the camp gate ready to ask him for keys on the spot, help him remove any and all personal items at that time no matter the chore or his rebuttal, and any sort of partial refund he may have due and try to leave it as friendly as possible. Anyone willing to cheat fellow club members and break federal and state hunting regs definitely has the potential to cause big trouble in the name of perceived retribution. If there’s a small crowd there and it stays friendly, the senior members calling him out and explaining the situation, helping him remove stands or what have you and escorting him out, it’s done then and there. Securing the keys will likely keep him from coming back and pissing all over the woods or showing up when everyone is working and damaging stands or anything else.
    If I thought he was any sort of threat or nuisance I’d have him trespassed as well.
    I may be way off base, but like I said, if he’s willing to be a cheat when things are good, he’s someone to watch when things get bad.

    You’re hitting on some potential concerns. The property is not easy to defend from potential aggressors or dubious characters only adding additional concern if things get out of hand. The president had to ask one member to leave a couple of years ago and it went surprisingly well. He was a trigger happy Fudd who wondered in on people during rifle season. His judgment and gun safety were our only concerns but there was no way to claim he didn’t do what he was accused of, and this guy has plenty of room to wiggle and lie, so it’s almost like we need to catch him in the act.
     

    Gator 45/70

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    You’re hitting on some potential concerns. The property is not easy to defend from potential aggressors or dubious characters only adding additional concern if things get out of hand. The president had to ask one member to leave a couple of years ago and it went surprisingly well. He was a trigger happy Fudd who wondered in on people during rifle season. His judgment and gun safety were our only concerns but there was no way to claim he didn’t do what he was accused of, and this guy has plenty of room to wiggle and lie, so it’s almost like we need to catch him in the act.

    When are his dues due?
    Simply tell him he won't be invited back and to go remove his stand and feeder.

    You don't owe him a reason as to why he won't be invited back,Just tell him he should already know!
     

    Jmfox3

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    Some clubs are run well. Others not so much. If your the only one who notices and no one else in the club has said or done anything, the club may not be run so well and you should consider leaving. If others are noticing, everyone should collectively say and do something; That's a well run club. Good luck.
     

    Magdump

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    When are his dues due?
    Simply tell him he won't be invited back and to go remove his stand and feeder.

    You don't owe him a reason as to why he won't be invited back,Just tell him he should already know!
    Gotta go with Gator as usual, if you could make that work, but I know the season is still open so I’m assuming his dues are paid for this season.
     

    Bangswitch

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    Thanks to everyone for contributing. Talking with another member yesterday, two other members and myself will insist he not be asked back. I will also bring up at our meeting that woundings that are unrecoverable be counted against your limit. People can lie if they feel so inclined but hopefully it will make our opinions known that we aren’t going to blast everything that move and hoping it falls. Time will tell how things play out, but I doubt he will be asked back.
     

    mforsta

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    shot and wounded a pile of deer probably close to 10 or more.

    If he has shot and wounded that many deer, he does not need to be hunting in the first place. Would I believe that a hunter is that bad of a shot, NO! Can the club, for the rest of the season insist that someone else go with him on all recoveries, dead or wounded? This may or may not help but it may stop him from making poor shot and not recovering the deer.
     

    Gator 45/70

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    If he has shot and wounded that many deer, he does not need to be hunting in the first place. Would I believe that a hunter is that bad of a shot, NO! Can the club, for the rest of the season insist that someone else go with him on all recoveries, dead or wounded? This may or may not help but it may stop him from making poor shot and not recovering the deer.

    I have a dog (GASP) a Labrador,Whom over the years would steal the legs as we cleaned the deer,Chew up the bone,Puke and then eat the puke...hahaha

    At any rate she's a blood trailer and a tremendous help on deer recovery.

    Her one and only short coming is she's not a big barker so one must keep her close when trailing.

    I believe the law in La. is you can cross property lines when attempting to recover wounded animals or your hound,But its better to ask permission first from the land owner.

    Don't make the mistake of trying to recover anything on someone else's place with a firearm, You now can be ticketed if in possession of a firearm.
     

    Bangswitch

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    If he has shot and wounded that many deer, he does not need to be hunting in the first place. Would I believe that a hunter is that bad of a shot, NO! Can the club, for the rest of the season insist that someone else go with him on all recoveries, dead or wounded? This may or may not help but it may stop him from making poor shot and not recovering the deer.

    To be fair that is his grand total recovered and unrecoverable is 10. But he’s batting .500. Good for MLB bad for a hunter. Additionally others believe his batting average is actually higher and he’s lieing about recovered animals. Personally I don’t care if he’s a crappy shot or greedy he and I don’t share the same level of respect for the animal. And I’m willing to bet he shot a buck last week and he’s over his limit on antlered deer. Spoke to him over the weekend as well and didn’t really let on to my feelings and it led me to believe more so than before that he probably did kill a buck and called it a doe last week.
     

    Bangswitch

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    I have a dog (GASP) a Labrador,Whom over the years would steal the legs as we cleaned the deer,Chew up the bone,Puke and then eat the puke...hahaha

    At any rate she's a blood trailer and a tremendous help on deer recovery.

    Her one and only short coming is she's not a big barker so one must keep her close when trailing.

    I believe the law in La. is you can cross property lines when attempting to recover wounded animals or your hound,But its better to ask permission first from the land owner.

    Don't make the mistake of trying to recover anything on someone else's place with a firearm, You now can be ticketed if in possession of a firearm.

    We have a great local resource. He’s a lab too this dog has recovered hundreds of deer and it’s amazing to watch him work. I have suggested more than once to call for him to come track for him, but I wasn’t there for 3 of them.
     

    Emperor

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    I've maintained many times over the years, "Deer hunting brings out the best and the worst in people!"

    Based on the assertions you made here, this douche would be so gone from any club I was in; or I would be gone. I did the club scene for many, many years; and though I had tons of fun with some great guys, there is always the "shady" character lurking in most clubs. The larger the membership, the bigger numbers of potential douches. I've heard of some clubs having dozens and dozens of members. Man, no way could I deal with that!

    The douches that equate their membership dues with how many deer they must kill are the worst. I am glad I don't have to play in the "Club" game anymore. But I do understand why many must!
     
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