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    Quote Originally Posted by Troedoff View Post
    A general that was not in Iran, but Iraq, and actively training Combatants, and perpetrating acts of violence against America. He got what he deserved. I think Trump did exactly what he needed to do. The Iranian response was posturing, and weak at that, which is why Trump gave it to them. If there were Americans killed last night, the news would be different this morning.
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    I would like nothing more than to be able to pull everybody out of the ME, and then we can all hold hands, and sing Cumbaya. Fact is that by us being over there, it makes us safer over here. I am not sure if some folks realize this or not, but these people have perpetrated, and carried out attacks on United States Citizens, on United States soil. If left to their own devices, and left unchecked, our safety in our own homes will be in jeopardy. These people will kill you in your sleep, they don't care about you, or your family. Many of them want you dead, because they despise what America stands for. I m not sure about you folks, but when my families safety is at stake. If you are always defending, you will always be behind the 8 ball. I don't care who you are, if you are John Rambo impersonate, at some point Rambo had to go on the attack, or he would have been eaten alive. Know how to defend, but superior offense, and swift counters, are a better strategy. You can't defend forever, why do you think the Romans were so successful in the Siege?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troedoff View Post
    I would like nothing more than to be able to pull everybody out of the ME, and then we can all hold hands, and sing Cumbaya. Fact is that by us being over there, it makes us safer over here. I am not sure if some folks realize this or not, but these people have perpetrated, and carried out attacks on United States Citizens, on United States soil. If left to their own devices, and left unchecked, our safety in our own homes will be in jeopardy. These people will kill you in your sleep, they don't care about you, or your family. Many of them want you dead, because they despise what America stands for. I m not sure about you folks, but when my families safety is at stake. If you are always defending, you will always be behind the 8 ball. I don't care who you are, if you are John Rambo impersonate, at some point Rambo had to go on the attack, or he would have been eaten alive. Know how to defend, but superior offense, and swift counters, are a better strategy. You can't defend forever, why do you think the Romans were so successful in the Siege?
    Our intervention has allowed more destabilizing governments and warlords to sieze power. Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Syria, Lybia. We teamed up with the worst of the worst in Afghanistan. The Afghanis band botchbozi (spelling) then we invaded and low and behold the first thing the new government restored was little boy butt rape.

    Look Iím not saying itís not a righteous cause and Im certainly not saying Iím less that eternally grateful to our men and women. But our policy of trying to convert a couture that hasnít really improved much In the way of freedom since the Bronze Age, from tyrannical oligarchs to a society of freedom and equality isnít working.

    There are plenty of options to help keep us safe at home that donít cause us to be perpetually bogged down in these quagmires where we make our troops Baghdadís (inset whatever &hithole city you prefer) police.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bangswitch View Post
    Our intervention has allowed more destabilizing governments and warlords to sieze power. Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Syria, Lybia. We teamed up with the worst of the worst in Afghanistan. The Afghanis band botchbozi (spelling) then we invaded and low and behold the first thing the new government restored was little boy butt rape.

    Look I’m not saying it’s not a righteous cause and Im certainly not saying I’m less that eternally grateful to our men and women. But our policy of trying to convert a couture that hasn’t really improved much In the way of freedom since the Bronze Age, from tyrannical oligarchs to a society of freedom and equality isn’t working.

    There are plenty of options to help keep us safe at home that don’t cause us to be perpetually bogged down in these quagmires where we make our troops Baghdad’s (inset whatever &hithole city you prefer) police.
    That’s a very fair assessment and a decent look at things. Only thing I would add is that it would be better spent on the 4 terms before Trump. I rarely hear anything about the Middle East situation being dumped in his lap. I know our involvement over there goes way back before Bush Jr and Obammy, but anything that could have facilitated a pull out should have started 20 years ago. So now that we’ve had presidents go blow shit up in the name of WMD’s and allow the Muslim world a guest room in the White House and dropped a few billion dollars and a sweet nuclear deal on Iran’s doorstep and likely outfitted enemy combatants to just keep the conflict alive...
    We finally get a POTUS that steps in and rids the region of ISIS, saves our progress in Iraq, refuses to allow another embassy and more American lives to be taken, and suddenly all the problems over there are his fault and his responsibility. The left that has been fighting against him and our country this entire term is far more responsible for the wreck we see in the Middle East and the portion of it that has come to our shores than President Trump will ever be.
    So...
    I listened to the 10 minute address 4 times and I didn’t see any sign of weakness or indecision or anything passive about it. It’s pretty clear to me that he said We took care of business when Iran’s guy became a clear and present danger, we took him out, expected Iran to attempt retaliation, took measures to protect our people and thank goodness their failure put us in a position to let things lie for the good of everyone so we wouldn’t be compelled to flex our muscles and choke them out. Instead, we can have peace if Iran wants it, but we will bust their ass if they choose wrong and we are ready to do so yesterday. Oh, and btw, you don’t get to have nukes. We consider the deal that the Obammy administration struck with you null and void..
    I also like that he refused the media the chance to spin their narrative then and there. No questions, just dropped the mic and walked. I know it wasn’t a press conference, it was an address, but media king Obammy allowed such because it served him.
    Whether or not the left, CNN, NBC, etc., are willing to Admit that he’s handling this latest sh:t show correctly, they can’t say he’s dragging us into a war when he’s simply standing up to the little loud mouth across the pond. They screamed and hollered when he handled rocket man and things took a turn for the better. They’ll keep screaming about Trump ‘assassinating’ an Iranian official and it won’t amount to squat. Sooner or later the great majority of our country will see through their BS and the jig will be up. I’m hoping for Trump to have a better term the second go round.
    Last edited by Magdump; January 9th, 2020 at 08:44 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesy Lasagna View Post
    Howdy all,

    Just watched Trumpís address to the Nation regarding Iran.
    Not certain how to take it.
    He spoke strongly in defense of striking one of their generals but ended with offering peace.
    Somewhat bipolar in his approach.

    What do you make of it?
    My take on the address above Cheesy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magdump View Post
    That’s a very fair assessment and a decent look at things. Only thing I would add is that it would be better spent on the 4 terms before Trump. I rarely hear anything about the Middle East situation being dumped in his lap. I know our involvement over there goes way back before Bush Jr and Obammy, but anything that could have facilitated a pull out should have started 20 years ago. So now that we’ve had presidents go blow shit up in the name of WMD’s and allow the Muslim world a guest room in the White House and dropped a few billion dollars and a sweet nuclear deal on Iran’s doorstep and likely outfitted enemy combatants to just keep the conflict alive...
    We finally get a POTUS that steps in and rids the region of ISIS, saves our progress in Iraq, refuses to allow another embassy and more American lives to be taken, and suddenly all the problems over there are his fault and his responsibility. The left that has been fighting against him and our country this entire term is far more responsible for the wreck we see in the Middle East and the portion of it that has come to our shores than President Trump will ever be.
    So...
    I listened to the 10 minute address 4 times and I didn’t see any sign of weakness or indecision or anything passive about it. It’s pretty clear to me that he said We took care of business when Iran’s guy became a clear and present danger, we took him out, expected Iran to attempt retaliation, took measures to protect our people and thank goodness their failure put us in a position to let things lie for the good of everyone so we wouldn’t be compelled to flex our muscles and choke them out. Instead, we can have peace if Iran wants it, but we will bust their ass if they choose wrong and we are ready to do so yesterday. Oh, and btw, you don’t get to have nukes. We consider the deal that the Obammy administration struck with you null and void..
    I also like that he refused the media the chance to spin their narrative then and there. No questions, just dropped the mic and walked. I know it wasn’t a press conference, it was an address, but media king Obammy allowed such because it served him.
    Whether or not the left, CNN, NBC, etc., are willing to Admit that he’s handling this latest sh:t show correctly, they can’t say he’s dragging us into a war when he’s simply standing up to the little loud mouth across the pond. They screamed and hollered when he handled rocket man and things took a turn for the better. They’ll keep screaming about Trump ‘assassinating’ an Iranian official and it won’t amount to squat. Sooner or later the great majority of our country will see through their BS and the jig will be up. I’m hoping for Trump to have a better term the second go round.
    Yeah no don’t get me wrong, most of the frustration is coming from my id. I think Trump is doing what he can to clean up the mess. The problem as I see it, we have a figurative 45-50 year long Texas chainsaws Massacre reenactment take place in our country’s living room, with this Middle East quagmire. Now we are getting impatient with the crew who is cleaning up the blood and guts, because it’s taking too long.

    If we take the right steps we should be more than capable of managing the risk in the Middle East without asking good men and women to police that $hithole in perpetuity.

    The problem is war is profitable, and as long as certain elements of our government/society retain enough influence, we will continue to involve ourselves in more quagmires.
    Last edited by Bangswitch; January 9th, 2020 at 09:24 AM.

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    I wonder what the world reaction is when they confirm Iran screwed up and shot down that jetliner thinking it was a bomber (speculation)?
    Last edited by oleheat; January 9th, 2020 at 10:59 AM.
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  8. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by oleheat View Post
    I wonder what the world reaction is when they confirm Iran screwed up and shot down that jetliner thinking it was a bomber (speculation)?
    It is confirmed and I don't think it was an accident, even though most on board were Iranian They will blame Trump .

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    Quote Originally Posted by EightySix View Post
    It is confirmed and I don't think it was an accident, even though most on board were Iranian They will blame Trump .
    HAVE blamed Trump. Our media are running with the same rubbish as Iranian state run media. Shameful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oleheat View Post
    I wonder what the world reaction is when they confirm Iran screwed up and shot down that jetliner thinking it was a bomber (speculation)?
    So first Iran says they didn’t shoot down no plane. Now they’re saying, yeah, we shot the plane down, but we didn’t mean to. Accident...
    Right.....Dindu Nuffins of the middle eastern world...
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