We beat the subject to death at least 5 times! If your opinions weren't celebrated by the masses, I don't know what to tell you.
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We beat the subject to death at least 5 times! If your opinions weren't celebrated by the masses, I don't know what to tell you.
Ohhhh, you mean like when there was a thread about whether or not it is okay to rack a round in a pistol by releasing the slide lock, and I took the time to actually call the top gun makers corporate offices and asked their heads of production/sales what their thoughts on that were on the guns they actually make, listed their official responses, and was basically told (by the I-Experts here), they (those actual gun makers that said it was okay), are wrong?
Like that?
Just remember, you were the one who brought it back up
To seek truths is to take the path of greatest resistance, whether it brings you satisfaction is a decision only you can make. Most of the old assumptions are rooted in a great deal of truth, but there are always weakness to any perceived hypothesis. To find "truth" you must weigh hypothesis and counter hypothesis and weigh the outcome statistically. Sometimes a more probable hypothesis is just a fraction of a percent. I believe in the end fate and divinity dictates our truths and if we are arrogant enough to believe there is a single truth in any one thing, we are naive.
Sometimes there are objective, single truths. They are few and far between in the realm of firearms, but they exist.
There you two go again!
Whatever the case may be, you are assuming that you possess the qualifications to dictate your dogma or beliefs on others regardless of the circumstances, or the reasons. Fine. The worst thing you are doing is assuming that other adults on this forum can't read a thread and decide what is best for them them, as if they are susceptible to shooting themselves if someone here tells them to.
Take the thread that Dave evoked as a picture perfect example. Rudimentary technical handgun malfunction cause and effect, and you two turn it into a "holier than thou" **** show. I don't know about anyone else (like you two obviously do), but I would bet others read that thread and said to themselves, "What the hell do these guys comments have to do with the price of tea in China?"
So I am being called out? Who coronated you to call anybody out? Not being combative, being serious?
I gave you a cogent explanation of what I did, why I did it, how I would continue to do it, without the slightest care to the contrary, and that still didn't stop you guys from chiming in. I suppose if you would have just said, "Dude, that sounds dangerous!" and left it that, I would have said, perhaps! But you didn't! You guys droned on and on how reprehensible I must be for doing something I want to do in my own spare time on my own property! Talk about pompous!
To that, none of you know my situation, my capabilities, my thought processes, my property, or much else about me; other than the **** on here. I'm okay with that, but please; stop derailing every discussion every time!
You can add germane and topical advice without being so damned condescending.
My response isn't just to this post, but the whole stream of posts after it:
This is why I brought up the idea of "industry best practice" and doing things because "they work for me."
Pocket carrying a pistol without a holster works. It works for people.
Carrying a pistol in the waistband without a holster works. It works for people.
Carrying a firearm without a bullet in the chamber works. It works for people.
Carrying a firearm with the safety engaged works. It works for people.
Practicing exclusively at 3 or 5 yards works for people.
Only worrying about shooting the person-sized target works for people.
You gave a cogent example of what you did with your root justification for doing it being that "it works for you" and that you "can do what you want."
None of us are experts, by any means. But we know enough to know that what you were advocating is an unsafe practice that others should not try. We have more guests read post than members. We don't want bad, unsafe information spreading. If we can provide the "industry best practices," that is ideal. But sometimes you have to call out bad advice.
Plugging in a toaster and throwing it in a bathtub with someone in it is a bad, unsafe idea. Drinking bleach is a bad idea. Running backwards and shooting at a target that you aren't looking at is an unsafe, bad idea. Do what you want, but don't get annoyed when people call a turd a turd.
The problem with all of this is that most of the people who would be able to tell you *industry best practices* aren’t here anymore or have been here long enough to not feel like telling anyone. It’s also that there are very few universal best practices, either due to training environments, misconceptions in people who folks would consider experts, and legitimate disagreements over what best practices are.
The problem with using certificates as a form of validating opinions is that a piece of paper doesn’t mean you know something. Anyone who’s worked with recent college graduates should know that and anyone who has been here long enough to remember Hunh Bruh’s five star certifications should also get why. It’s also important to remember that someone leaning on paperwork isn’t guaranteed to be giving good information. I’ve seen people on here who share credentials and don’t share views on industry best practices. As such, at least one of them is probably wrong. If that’s the case, you’re just putting incorrect on a platform.
After that there is the issue as described by Dave as to when you got the paperwork, training, or experience. Things today aren’t what they were even 15 years ago.
To me, the best solution has always been to ask why a person holds the views they do. If they can’t articulate a good reason for why their particular viewpoint is held, it carries much less weight with it.
The problem with using certificates as a form of validating opinions is that a piece of paper doesn’t mean you know something. Anyone who’s worked with recent college graduates should know that and anyone who has been here long enough to remember Hunh Bruh’s five star certifications should also get why. It’s also important to remember that someone leaning on paperwork isn’t guaranteed to be giving good information. I’ve seen people on here who share credentials and don’t share views on industry best practices. As such, at least one of them is probably wrong. If that’s the case, you’re just putting incorrect on a platform.
After that there is the issue as described by Dave as to when you got the paperwork, training, or experience. Things today aren’t what they were even 15 years ago.
To me, the best solution has always been to ask why a person holds the views they do. If they can’t articulate a good reason for why their particular viewpoint is held, it carries much less weight with it.
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Eh, yeah! I think I'll stick with the likes of a Gastroenterologist's interpretation of a turd!
That's the type of thinking that retards one's ability to learn. Any information presented should be judged on the accuracy of the information itself rather than on the person who presented the information.
Wrong-a-roo-nee! That phrase speaks directly to the intent of this particular thread!
You know, qualifications and all!
Wrong-a-roo-nee! That phrase speaks directly to the intent of this particular thread!
You know, qualifications and all!
While qualifications are nice, I don't subscribe to the notion they are the end all when it comes to information. A qualified person can be wrong and a non-qualified person can be right. But hey, you do you. It'll stick with being open minded.
Ok, but if I go to my primary care physician and he detects a lump on my prostate during a man on man, finger probe; I won't tell him to schedule a follow up with my lawn guy!
At work, they hired a guy who had all kinds of certifications he messed up all kinds of jobs I had to try and fix. They asked me to take him with me on jobs to teach him as I had 30 plus years of on the job. I had zero paperwork as I learned as an apprentice.
In that field, I always had work and had a waiting list.
Bangswitch
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Ok, but if I go to my primary care physician and he detects a lump on my prostate during a man on man, finger probe; I won't tell him to schedule a follow up with my lawn guy!
Too much in this post is funny to overlook. The message was ok but the delivery
Sorry to hear.
Even though I was making a metaphorical point/joke using a doctor, I truly and honestly believe we give doctor's way too much unchallenged respect in this country in general. But, what cha gonna do?
Ok, but if I go to my primary care physician and he detects a lump on my prostate during a man on man, finger probe; I won't tell him to schedule a follow up with my lawn guy!
Probably not. But if your lawn guy detects a lump on your prostate during a man on man, finger probe, I'll bet you will schedule a follow up with your primary care physician rather than just dismiss the health information because it came from your lawn guy. While your lawn guy isn't a certified doctor, the information he provided might be correct.
That I can agree with! I am glad my lawn guy has not detected anything thus far!
And that's my point. The information he provided should be judged on its accuracy (by scheduling a follow up) rather than being judged based on the qualifications of the messenger. You never know, maybe your lawn guy has experience detecting lumps on prostates.
Bangswitch
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Yeah we do. we do it to pretty much everyone we feel is smarter than us. I’m not the brightest but I ask a lot of questions even more if what you tell me does not add up in my little brain.
My mom had a similar story to 340six this year. She had a thyroid the size of a baseball. They kept telling her she was just fat, had acid reflux, it was related to her asthma, and stuff like that, until they finally listened and ordered some pictures. The tech knew what was up during the scans and a week later she was missing her thyroid and parathyroid.
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Bangswitch
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Nice. You guys are making this conversation quite enjoyable.
