Louisiana, we have a new Constitutional Carry Bill!

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  • ThePiedPiper

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    Interesting, I was just thinking about this the other day. As much as I want this to pass, I don’t think it will. My reasoning being that I believe the state is too interested in the revenue the permits generate.
     

    krotsman

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    Interesting, I was just thinking about this the other day. As much as I want this to pass, I don’t think it will. My reasoning being that I believe the state is too interested in the revenue the permits generate.

    I bet they don't generate all that much revenue, compared with the overhead of funding the CHP department in LSP. Especially since veterans are free now.
     

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    I bet they don't generate all that much revenue, compared with the overhead of funding the CHP department in LSP. Especially since veterans are free now.

    Let's just use this number as a ball park figure.

    As of December 31, 2017, there are 204,625 active concealed handgun permits issued in Louisiana.

    Take half, because I don't know how many of those people have lifetime permits or were issued permits free of charge.

    100,000 permits at $125 each = $12.5M; now divide that by 5 years and you end up with $2.5M a year. In the grand scheme of things, $2.5M per year is pretty good revenue for a plastic card, even when you start subtracting the amount of money it takes to run the program at LSP.
     

    Armbruster Armory

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    Please email or call your the reps in your area to ask them to get behind the bill. If we don't let them know it is out there and we want it to move, then we can be assured it will be dead in the water.

    The squeaky wheel tends to get the grease in Baton Rouge.
     

    RaleighReloader

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    Thanks for posting this. I'll be tracking it ... and I'll do my best to be in attendance at committee meetings to give this my unbridled support.

    (I live 5 minutes from the legislature building, so it's just a matter of carving out time from my work schedule)

    Mike
     

    Oilman

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    Usually there are at least half a dozen or so anti gun bills every year. I just checked the legislature's website and I don't see any this year. Mais, quelle miracle.
     

    Bmash

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    Some other states allow cc and carry in your car if you have a permit in another state. Wouldn’t this be a problem?
    Could you still get a permit if you want one for another state?
     

    Bangswitch

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    We have an entire group dedicated to making our plastic permission slips. I don't see this passing.

    Mississippi still issues hall passes and is all but a constitutional carry state. I don’t know the numbers, before and after but plenty still get a permit. Mississippi also offers an enhanced carry which I’m sure helps keep the revenue up.
     
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    Mississippi still issues hall passes and is all but a constitutional carry state. I don’t know the numbers, before and after but plenty still get a permit. Mississippi also offers an enhanced carry which I’m sure helps keep the revenue up.

    "Enhanced" hall passes.

    Which I would hope that Louisiana would also do, if they chose to go to Constitutional Carry, because I do carry out of state.
     

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    "Enhanced" hall passes.

    Which I would hope that Louisiana would also do, if they chose to go to Constitutional Carry, because I do carry out of state.

    In principle I hate the idea of a concealed handgun permit, but in the context of our current legislative framework it makes sense to have -- even if Constitutional Carry passes.

    As you mentioned, it would benefit people that travel to other states that don't have Constitutional Carry.

    It also allows a gun buyer to skip the point-of-sale NICS background check. The 4473 still exists (and I don't like that either), but the government doesn't know about the existence of that particular 4473 until an ATF agent looks at it (or the shop goes out of business and their paper records are shipped to BATF in West Virginia). With an instant NICS check, there is an immediate record created that such-and-such individual was involved in the transfer of a firearm.

    In that context, I support the CHP continuing to exist ... for now.

    Mike
     

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    In principle I hate the idea of a concealed handgun permit, but in the context of our current legislative framework it makes sense to have -- even if Constitutional Carry passes.

    As you mentioned, it would benefit people that travel to other states that don't have Constitutional Carry.

    It also allows a gun buyer to skip the point-of-sale NICS background check. The 4473 still exists (and I don't like that either), but the government doesn't know about the existence of that particular 4473 until an ATF agent looks at it (or the shop goes out of business and their paper records are shipped to BATF in West Virginia). With an instant NICS check, there is an immediate record created that such-and-such individual was involved in the transfer of a firearm.

    In that context, I support the CHP continuing to exist ... for now.

    Mike

    I have my opinions about why it's both good and bad.

    Regardless, what I find comical is the people whose only excuse is that you are giving the government your information, don't realize that they already have your information.

    "But they take your fingerprints"

    Yea? Ever applied for a Federally regulated TWIC? Ever been logged into DISA?
     

    Bangswitch

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    "Enhanced" hall passes.

    Which I would hope that Louisiana would also do, if they chose to go to Constitutional Carry, because I do carry out of state.

    Yeah enhanced is more like a backstage pass. You can go in courthouses and stuff like that. It’s like a per-filled NICS form in your wallet too. Or at least that’s how the guys I know who have an enhanced make it sound.
     

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    Yeah enhanced is more like a backstage pass. You can go in courthouses and stuff like that. It’s like a per-filled NICS form in your wallet too. Or at least that’s how the guys I know who have an enhanced make it sound.

    I'm unfamiliar with the intricacies of the Enhanced Permit, but I know that Constitutional Carry is only good for the state you're in. My permit allows me to carry while traveling through states with reciprocity.
     

    Bangswitch

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    I'm unfamiliar with the intricacies of the Enhanced Permit, but I know that Constitutional Carry is only good for the state you're in. My permit allows me to carry while traveling through states with reciprocity.



    If you were to compare Mississippi’s concealed gun laws to say concert tickets it would look something like this:

    permitless= Gen Admission (concealed off body, or holstered at hip or shoulder)

    permit= Gen Admission (position unlimited) + access to other venues (states with reciprocity)

    enhanced= Gen Admission + access to other venues +backstage passes
     
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