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Cheesy Lasagna said:

Negative pressure for airflow control in hospitals.

https://youtu.be/p1hcDpzKrqY

Something most physical plant folks can work with.

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Emperor said:

There are some very brilliant people working on this. The Coronavirus Task Force is a machine! I would gladly accept Mike Pence as Trump's successor in 2024!

Now, what I would like to see is less commentary from Tony Fauci outside of the Task Force. He falls for the phony corrupt media's gotcha questions way too often! He is obviously a brilliantly educated man, but he is not skilled enough in avoiding shameless partisanship! These phony parasites use that poor bastard like a sanitary wipe!

It is both a shame and horrifying that many on the left hope this human death and economic destruction goes on through November!

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Emperor said:

There will be a bunch of Monday morning quarterbacking after this is sad saga is over, but I am stunned that we don't conclusively know questions like;

How long does this virus stay aloft (with or without air flow)?
How long does it stay alive on I-phones, light switches, tables, door handles, and toasters; and at what temperatures?

Now these are just examples, but come on. Wear a mask / Don't wear a mask! Wash your hands it's the secret! Stay away from each other! Where are they basing this stuff from? Where is the hard data? No one is compiling these answers?

What I mean is, there are literally hundreds of research firms, pharmaceutical companies, university med. schools, and others working around the clock to see who can come up with the magic bullet cure (mostly for the reward); but what the hell are other bio tech labs, university science departments, etc. doing if they are not working on the cure too?

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Emperor said:

There will be a bunch of Monday morning quarterbacking after this is sad saga is over, but I am stunned that we don't conclusively know questions like;

How long does this virus stay aloft (with or without air flow)?
How long does it stay alive on I-phones, light switches, tables, door handles, and toasters; and at what temperatures?

Now these are just examples, but come on. Wear a mask / Don't wear a mask! Wash your hands it's the secret! Stay away from each other! Where are they basing this stuff from? Where is the hard data? No one is compiling these answers?

What I mean is, there are literally hundreds of research firms, pharmaceutical companies, university med. schools, and others working around the clock to see who can come up with the magic bullet cure (mostly for the reward); but what the hell are other bio tech labs, university science departments, etc. doing if they are not working on the cure too?

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Magdump said:

Well, I would follow the lead of those healthcare workers that are dealing with it every day. Not what a friend of a cousin whose wife knows a healthcare worker who works in an office doing medical billing. I realize there are many folks who wanna decide what the right play is but unless they’re being completely objective, they’re likely going to go the wrong way. Case in point: Center for Disease Control, the most trusted agency in the world of pandemics and the bugs that cause them, lost all objectivity and misdirected a nation due to what they perceived as a shortage of protective gear. Even when the rest of the world, along with the World Health Organization showed logical objective evidence of the virus surviving in the air for hours, the CDC insisted it was not airborne and there was no indication for anything other than contact and droplet precautions. I’m not sure if they’ve amended their recommendations even now because I wrote them off for the time being, as have many of the physicians I work with. I can tell you that I’ve been exposed to multiple known and suspected corona patients in-house that later tested positive and have maintained proper PPE and hand washing and so far so good. I can also tell you that a handful of staff that I routinely work with who did not wear a mask during their shift have become ill and tested positive for Covid. Of those that did give direct care to Covid patients, all of them wore proper PPE during their time in the room with those patients. The problem with some theories about why masks aren’t always necessary is very simple. There are infected and contagious people walking around everywhere without any symptoms for the first few days to a week or more. Definitely enough reason for me to wear a mask in public and on the job. Apparently not enough reason for other folks.
Remember, call this thing whatever scary name you want, it’s still a virus. It’s gotta play by microorganism rules. A virus has a little more playing field but still has to play by a set of rules.
Wear gloves when handling anything things that have been handled by others. Wash your hands or use sani wipes or hand sanitizer after removing gloves. Don’t touch your face until you wash your hands. Don’t pick your nose or put your fingers in your mouth before washing your hands. Keep your mouth and nose covered when around other people outside of your home. Maintain some distance. Take care when entering your car after contact. I bag my gloves and mask before entering my car. I shop once a week for my family. I spray as much as I can down with disinfectant spray and let sit outside for a few minutes before wiping down and bringing in. I set up a couple of tables in the garage to do this. I pay special attention to my clothes and shoes when I get home. My scrubs from work get bagged every day and I wash them separately with Lysol laundry sanitizer just like always, but take extra care now to clean up after.
This might sound like overkill to some, but if I never get infected in the face of daily exposure and none of my family gets infected, will I believe I went overboard? Will I resent taking every measure that I did? I don’t think so...I’m not eating any take out or food prepared by others either!
As far as how long the virus survives outside a host, that’s been discussed here I believe and I’ve seen that information all over for weeks now. Even on stainless steel the virus can survive for days. (Depends on what medium it’s in, snot, spit droplets etc) on plastic and many porous materials it can survive for over a week. Sunlight and heat kills the virus outside of a host. It’s been found to survive up to 3 hours in the air.
Closed spaces with little actual air circulation are the worst. Anybody catch the cruise ship reports? One ship had about 80% infection rate upon arrival to port. I didn’t see a 1 week follow up to that story.
One last note, when using disinfectant/sanitizer on a surface you think could be contaminated, leave it wet with the product. Don’t immediately wipe it off. Even the high test stuff we use in the hospital spells it out for us, stating on the container how many minutes it takes to kill all. Many are 4-10 minutes. If the product dries, after the recommended time passes, spray again then wipe.
Hope I covered enough for you Emp. Feel free to PM any other questions. Not trying to present myself as an authority on the subject, just very involved at a real world level.

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MOTOR51 said:

Someone quote me so he can see this.


I will listen to your opinions on this because apparently you’re in healthcare. Do you believe if you are not coughed or sneezed on you are safe? As long as you don’t touch an item that has droplets on it and touch around your face? Can just someone breathing normal infect another person in a room? Seems to be a lot of confusion regarding this.


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DAVE_M said:

He can't see what I post unless he chooses to, but from the CDC website:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-covid-spreads.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/prevention.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/social-distancing.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/share-facts.html

Also worth reading:
https://www.sciencealert.com/is-coronavirus-spread-by-talking-and-breathing

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MOTOR51 said:

I appreciate the material and they are all good reads. I get updated from the state daily but it’s always good to hear what people are seeing first hand. The CDC has rubbed me the wrong way during this event by putting out info before the information has been completely confirmed.


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MOTOR51 said:

I appreciate the material and they are all good reads. I get updated from the state daily but it’s always good to hear what people are seeing first hand. The CDC has rubbed me the wrong way during this event by putting out info before the information has been completely confirmed.


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DAVE_M said:

FWIW, the CDC does make a disclaimer that these are recommendations and that they are still learning about the virus.

The real problem here is the people not listening and doing whatever they want. The big country club out here is a prime example. Members are still gathering at the club, swimming in the pool, having get togethers. Then when you call them out for it, they say they are not sick so bug off.

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Bangswitch said:

Yeah the really muffed the mask deal.

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MOTOR51 said:

Yep. I thought it didn’t make much sense when they said it but who am I lol


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MOTOR51 said:

Someone quote me so he can see this.


I will listen to your opinions on this because apparently you’re in healthcare. Do you believe if you are not coughed or sneezed on you are safe? As long as you don’t touch an item that has droplets on it and touch around your face? Can just someone breathing normal infect another person in a room? Seems to be a lot of confusion regarding this.


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Cheesy Lasagna said:

JAMA is stating that coronavirus can maintain itself as a viable transmission vector upwards of three (3) hours in the air.
When we cough, talk or just breathe we create particulate matter that is expelled via our mouth and nose.
The size and density of these particles as well as the velocity they are ejected from our body varies by person and circumstance.
Breathing is likely the least denominator in terms of spreading contagion with sneezing and coughing being more likely to eject smaller, finer particles longer distances.
Then there are other factors like airflow in vicinity of the partculate matter expulsion, temperature, humidity and so many other factors that it boggles the mind.

In short, yes, you absolutely can catch coronavirus in the absence of direct aerosolization onto you from another person.
It’s in the air and is highly contagious.
You don’t have to touch a surface to get it.

Also take note of face touching, which is a highly effective route for contagion.
Really, just count how many times an hour you touch your face or eyes.
It’ll surprise you.

If you can wear a mask I’d say you should.
I do.
Gloves as well.
And when you wash hour hands or sanitize surfaces, Magdump has nailed it.
Don’t just think you can wipe and forget.
Follow manufacturer’s instructions as to how long to keep it on the surface you’re cleaning.

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Cheesy Lasagna said:

JAMA is stating that coronavirus can maintain itself as a viable transmission vector upwards of three (3) hours in the air.
When we cough, talk or just breathe we create particulate matter that is expelled via our mouth and nose.
The size and density of these particles as well as the velocity they are ejected from our body varies by person and circumstance.
Breathing is likely the least denominator in terms of spreading contagion with sneezing and coughing being more likely to eject smaller, finer particles longer distances.
Then there are other factors like airflow in vicinity of the partculate matter expulsion, temperature, humidity and so many other factors that it boggles the mind.

In short, yes, you absolutely can catch coronavirus in the absence of direct aerosolization onto you from another person.
It’s in the air and is highly contagious.
You don’t have to touch a surface to get it.

Also take note of face touching, which is a highly effective route for contagion.
Really, just count how many times an hour you touch your face or eyes.
It’ll surprise you.

If you can wear a mask I’d say you should.
I do.
Gloves as well.
And when you wash hour hands or sanitize surfaces, Magdump has nailed it.
Don’t just think you can wipe and forget.
Follow manufacturer’s instructions as to how long to keep it on the surface you’re cleaning.

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MOTOR51 said:

Well luckily most of the people I have to contact at work is outside so maybe that will help. We also make sure we stay far back when communicating with people as well. The problem comes in when the officers have to arrest someone and transport them in the confined spaces of a Dodge Charger.


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AustinBR said:

Where does one get masks in the current situation?

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