9x19 for deer?

Emperor · May 5, 2020

I don't understand!?! What makes people go out of their way and look for inconvenient ways to kill animals when there are so many proven, efficient, and humane methods? If killing a deer is that mysterious to you, you probably shouldn't be hunting.

People can do what they want but I would tell the guy wanting to use a 9mm; "that's stupid!"

And the clown shooting deer with a .22lr, should be in jail! I would definitely drop a dime on him if I saw that!

hunter5567 · May 5, 2020

In some states it's legal to hunt deer with air rifles with 357 as one of the calibers.
The 9mm in a carbine will exceed the velocity and energy of a 357/9mm caliber air rifle.
Heck, a 9mm pistol will exceed the velocity and energy of the 357/9mm air rifle.

oleheat · May 5, 2020

Well...I've seen it done. Perfect spine shot from elevation with a Glock 17 (can't remember the load). Shot placement is king, but....

There are clearly much better choices.

troy_mclure · May 7, 2020

i do not plan to hunt deer with a 9x18. just to be clear.

the energy with a carbine is pushing .357 magnum pistol levels, which i have hunted with, alot.

if i was i would have to do a lot of research on the right projectile and powder combo, as i sure as **** would not use a factory load.

something people forget is that the common rifle and handgun rounds these days are monster compared to the early 1900s. heck the .44-40 put down crap tons of deer for a long time and it was around 1000fps and 500ftlb at the muzzle.

Gator 45/70 · May 7, 2020

troy_mclure said:
i do not plan to hunt deer with a 9x18. just to be clear.

the energy with a carbine is pushing .357 magnum pistol levels, which i have hunted with, alot.

if i was i would have to do a lot of research on the right projectile and powder combo, as i sure as **** would not use a factory load.

something people forget is that the common rifle and handgun rounds these days are monster compared to the early 1900s. heck the .44-40 put down crap tons of deer for a long time and it was around 1000fps and 500ftlb at the muzzle.

Yeah,One can load up to a 180gr.projectile in the ol 357,Try that with a 9x19,Just as soon get a Piers Morgan ''Musket'' lol

Trailboss · May 7, 2020

Emperor said:
...And the clown shooting deer with a .22lr, should be in jail! I would definitely drop a dime on him if I saw that!

No one has mentioned hunting with .22LR, I mentioned I euthanized captive deer at a range of feet, rather than yards to illustrate that small calibers can kill deer, but it is still not an advised hunting round.

troy_mclure · May 7, 2020

Gator 45/70 said:
Yeah,One can load up to a 180gr.projectile in the ol 357,Try that with a 9x19,Just as soon get a Piers Morgan ''Musket'' lol

i always preferred the flatter shooting 158gr soft points for deer.

troy_mclure · May 7, 2020

Trailboss said:
No one has mentioned hunting with .22LR, I mentioned I euthanized captive deer at a range of feet, rather than yards to illustrate that small calibers can kill deer, but it is still not an advised hunting round.

they caught a guy in maine several years ago poaching moose with a cricket. iirc he would wait till they were swimming in a lake and drive up behind them.

Gator 45/70 · May 8, 2020

troy_mclure said:
i always preferred the flatter shooting 158gr soft points for deer.

I think I have a couple of Elmer Keith molds around here,Want to say around 165 grs. ? Both FN and RN

gemihur · May 8, 2020

Use more not less!
I prefer a 375 JDJ for whitetails... and rarely witness game exiting the scene.
Contrary to popular belief, very little tissue damage is experienced.

Emperor · May 8, 2020

Trailboss said:
No one has mentioned hunting with .22LR, I mentioned I euthanized captive deer at a range of feet, rather than yards to illustrate that small calibers can kill deer, but it is still not an advised hunting round.

Calm down, Daddy!

Beau Etienne stated he saw some douche trigger bumping deer with a .22Lr. That is what I was referring!

Bangswitch · May 8, 2020

troy_mclure said:
they caught a guy in maine several years ago poaching moose with a cricket. iirc he would wait till they were swimming in a lake and drive up behind them.

While I hate to say anything nice about a poacher, dang if that ain’t effective. I’ve heard similar with whitetail except they would hold their heads under while they were swimming.

Gator 45/70 · May 8, 2020

Bangswitch said:
While I hate to say anything nice about a poacher, dang if that ain’t effective. I’ve heard similar with whitetail except they would hold their heads under while they were swimming.

Say what? You seeing deer or Otters ?

Bangswitch · May 8, 2020

Gator 45/70 said:
Say what? You seeing deer or Otters ?

I never seen them swim before, but apparently they do and if one were to grab a deer’s antler and hold it’s head under water you could drown a deer.

troy_mclure · May 8, 2020

gemihur said:
Use more not less!
I prefer a 375 JDJ for whitetails... and rarely witness game exiting the scene.
Contrary to popular belief, very little tissue damage is experienced.

ive killed 1 deer with .45/70govt load. clean in and out holes, 2 broken shoulders, 2 punctured lungs. not too much bone fragments either.

Gator 45/70 · May 8, 2020

Bangswitch said:
I never seen them swim before, but apparently they do and if one were to grab a deer’s antler and hold it’s head under water you could drown a deer.

Lol, That deer will try to climb in the boat and whip dat azz, Used to work with a guy that beat one to death with his paddle down in Dularge

troy_mclure · May 8, 2020

Gator 45/70 said:
Lol, That deer will try to climb in the boat and whip dat azz, Used to work with a guy that beat one to death with his paddle down in Dularge

moose are notorious for this too. a 1000lb angry leggy cow climbing into your boat is a bad day.

DAVE_M · May 8, 2020

Bangswitch said:
I never seen them swim before, but apparently they do and if one were to grab a deer’s antler and hold it’s head under water you could drown a deer.

I’ve seen them swimming in Lake Pontchartrain a few times when I was down in Madisonville.

dwr461 · May 9, 2020

DAVE_M said:
I’ve seen them swimming in Lake Pontchartrain a few times when I was down in Madisonville.

Did you try a moose call?

Dave

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DAVE_M · May 9, 2020

dwr461 said:
Did you try a moose call?

Dave

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It's rather amazing what you will see out in the wild. We were running jugs one night and saw an albino gator near the launch.

The buck swimming towards to the lake was odd though. We just sat there thinking "where does that idiot think he's going?"

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