Tesla / Energy Discussion

davidd · May 29, 2020

Let's resort to an analogy, even though it's not the ideal form of persuasion:

W760 = Diesel
W296 = Gasoline
WST = Electricity

Again, am I ever going to get an all electric car? Probably.

RaleighReloader · May 29, 2020

Bangswitch said:
Look I’m not saying they don’t have all kind of safety features but the energy of electricity is way more volatile than a tank or pressure line of liquid gasoline.

It's worth noting that electric cars outsold cars with standard transmissions in the United States last year. Granted the majority of cars on the road are still powered by gasoline, but electric cars are not a rarity anymore. Lots of them get into accidents, but I don't hear about an epidemic of electrocutions.

I suspect the chances of getting T-boned by some idiot in an SUV with a cell phone in one hand and a cigarette in the other hand are far greater, and whether I'm driving a gas or an electric car is going to be the least of my concerns.

Mike

Bangswitch · May 29, 2020

AustinBR said:
You might have said this earlier...but have you ever been in a Tesla?

I still think that a big selling point is that you either like their futuristic minimalistic stuff...or you don't. In my case, I like Teslas, but I also like SUVs for practicality. I'm not the biggest fan of the Model X.

Next vehicle will likely be Lincoln Aviator, Yukon Denali, or possibly an Escalade...but tbd. I also like sports cars, but they aren't very practical for icky weather or roadtrips with friends.

No I haven’t and if you buy one I’m taking this post as an offer to take me for a spin.

Let’s not forget I like Tesla. I like Musk. We need people who will do these things that people like me will say is not practical, so that we continue to push forward.

As far as my personal taste is concerned I’m extremely practical (I was very very poor in my 20’s). But I do like and admire nice things so I can definitely appreciate cool cars, and again if I could afford to own several nice cars I could see owning one.

I drove 9.5 hours to buy my Gen1 F150 Ecoboost because I wanted it with very specific options. I just paid an extra 20% ($4,000) for my camper to get one I can control with my iPhone, has a new style 12v compressor fridge, and has solar and a smart battery. I’ll pay over $1000 if necessary for a factory installed break controller instead of $150 for a really nice aftermarket unit. I guess my point is don’t mind spending the money where I see value especially where technology is concerned.

Bangswitch · May 29, 2020

DAVE_M said:
You mean like when batteries must be compromised in a specific environment?

This argument is going in circles and we see your bias.

DAVE_M · May 29, 2020

Bangswitch said:

I mean... you can argue that you don't have a bias if you wish.

Multiple arguments you have made have been defeated. Your only remaining arguments are that it's impractical for you, which may be true, and that you believe batteries are more dangerous than gasoline.

AustinBR · May 29, 2020

Bangswitch said:
No I haven’t and if you buy one I’m taking this post as an offer to take me for a spin.

Let’s not forget I like Tesla. I like Musk. We need people who will do these things that people like me will say is not practical, so that we continue to push forward.

As far as my personal taste is concerned I’m extremely practical (I was very very poor in my 20’s). But I do like and admire nice things so I can definitely appreciate cool cars, and again if I could afford to own several nice cars I could see owning one.

I drove 9.5 hours to buy my Gen1 F150 Ecoboost because I wanted it with very specific options. I just paid an extra 20% ($4,000) for my camper to get one I can control with my iPhone, has a new style 12v compressor fridge, and has solar and a smart battery. I’ll pay over $1000 if necessary for a factory installed break controller instead of $150 for a really nice aftermarket unit. I guess my point is don’t mind spending the money where I see value especially where technology is concerned.

Next time you're in a major city, you should go checkout a Tesla Showroom (their version of a dealership). They are really cool cars.

Bangswitch · May 29, 2020

DAVE_M said:
I mean... you can argue that you don't have a bias if you wish.

Multiple arguments you have made have been defeated. Your only remaining arguments are that it's impractical for you, which may be true, and that you believe batteries are more dangerous than gasoline.

No batteries are more dangerous than a gas tank. I’m beginning to believe you don’t understand the very basics of electricity because you keep shifting the discussion back to the storage device and not the energy source itself.

DAVE_M · May 29, 2020

Bangswitch said:
No batteries are more dangerous than a gas tank. I’m beginning to believe you don’t understand the very basics of electricity because you keep shifting the discussion back to the storage device and not the energy source itself.

I’m simply pointing out that you will ignore that we are discussing Tesla vehicles to fit your narrative.

Bangswitch · May 29, 2020

DAVE_M said:
I’m simply pointing out that you will ignore that we are discussing Tesla vehicles to fit your narrative.

If you say so pal.

Bangswitch · May 29, 2020

I was looking for a video of a large HV battery explosion so I googled ‘high voltage battery explode’ Found this on the first page.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/business/fl-bz-tesla-crash-battery-explosions-20180509-story.html

Bangswitch · May 29, 2020

Also this one

https://mashable.com/2016/11/04/fatal-tesla-crash-batteries-fires/

Bangswitch · May 29, 2020

Here a good watch if you don’t understand arc flash

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xDLKLnVdlWE

AustinBR · May 29, 2020

Tesla has sold around 1 million cars since 2012. I'm just not seeing it that their batteries are inherently more risky than a giant tank of gasoline. The fact that Tesla is generally regarded as being one of the safest, if not the safest car on the road says something about that.

DAVE_M · May 29, 2020

AustinBR said:
Tesla has sold around 1 million cars since 2012. I'm just not seeing it that their batteries are inherently more risky than a giant tank of gasoline. The fact that Tesla is generally regarded as being one of the safest, if not the safest car on the road says something about that.

But muh arc flash.

AustinBR · May 29, 2020

I get arc flashes, my point is that Tesla can't put something on the road that is that dangerous. Plus, many reliable sources have said that Tesla is the safest car on the road.

And their cybertruck...if it's actually bullet resistant, will be badass.

DAVE_M · May 29, 2020

AustinBR said:
I get arc flashes, my point is that Tesla can't put something on the road that is that dangerous. Plus, many reliable sources have said that Tesla is the safest car on the road.

And their cybertruck...if it's actually bullet resistant, will be badass.

I agree. Some people believe safety features are irrelevant if the primary power source is dangerous.

Bangswitch · May 29, 2020

DAVE_M said:
I agree. Some people believe safety features are irrelevant if the primary power source is dangerous.

Yeah cause no ones ever a had a firearm discharge with the safety on. People never die in a seat belt. Foreign objects never end up in you eye while wearing safeties. Steeltoes protect your toes regardless the weight that lands on them. Shall I continue with my irrelevant attempt to talk about Tesla’s in ‘my narrative’?

Bangswitch · May 29, 2020

AustinBR said:
I get arc flashes, my point is that Tesla can't put something on the road that is that dangerous. Plus, many reliable sources have said that Tesla is the safest car on the road.

And their cybertruck...if it's actually bullet resistant, will be badass.

the power company somehow manages to hang it over our heads and burry it under our feet.

DAVE_M · May 29, 2020

Bangswitch said:
Yeah cause no ones ever a had a firearm discharge with the safety on. People never die in a seat belt. Foreign objects never end up in you eye while wearing safeties. Steeltoes protect your toes regardless the weight that lands on them. Shall I continue with my irrelevant attempt to talk about Tesla’s in ‘my narrative’?

You have already stated you don’t find them practical, so yea, you seem to have made up your mind and have a bias when discussing the vehicles.

AustinBR · May 29, 2020

Bangswitch said:
Yeah cause no ones ever a had a firearm discharge with the safety on. People never die in a seat belt. Foreign objects never end up in you eye while wearing safeties. Steeltoes protect your toes regardless the weight that lands on them. Shall I continue with my irrelevant attempt to talk about Tesla’s in ‘my narrative’?

**** certainly happens, but I argue that Tesla's are still safer than cars or trucks carrying 15+ gallons of flammable liquid. I just haven't seen any compelling evidence to the contrary.

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