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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by hkump View Post
    I was skeptical of red dots on handguns at first until I tried it. It's too easy when you have the red dot zeroed in. The advantage of having a red dot is the ability to just focus on one little dot instead of having to focus on the rear sights and the front sights. Also, in a defensive stance, a laser will give you away to the enemy, whereas the only one who sees the red dot is you. Also, my eyesight is getting worse every year, so the red dot makes it easier to see the target. Once you try a zeroed red dot on a handgun, you may never go back to the regular sights again.
    That's a good point. If you can't see the laser dot on a target, it's not much use to you, so the RDS would be a better option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAVE_M View Post
    It requires altering your draw stroke to acquire the dot faster. People who are used to fishing with irons will hate the RDS, because they can’t find it the same way they acquire a sight picture by indexing off of the front sight.

    Overall, using a pistol RDS allows me to focus on the target, which means more information can be processed. I focus less on *sight alignment* and more on making sure I pull the trigger clean. It makes a huge difference at distance.

    FWIW, I got rid of most of my *tactical* gear and only shoot from concealment. It’s more practical for me. This past weekend I shot from AIWB with my RMR’d gun and was able to hit C Zone steel at 25 yards from 1.4-1.6 seconds from the draw consistently. Once the gun is at full presentation the dot is there and the gun goes bang. My goal is to hit a 10* plate at 25 yards in 1.25 seconds from concealment.
    Are you CC'ing with the RDS? Does it print? That would be one of my big concerns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krotsman View Post
    Are you CC'ing with the RDS? Does it print? That would be one of my big concerns.
    Depending on what you wear, the holster you have, the position you carry, it can print. It makes your gun’s overall footprint larger. However, there are ways to minimize printing.

    My typical carry gun is either a Glock 34 with a Surefire X300U and Trijicon RMR or a plain Glock 17. The G17 will eventually get sent off to he milled for a RDS when time and money allows for it. I would put a MRDS on every gun I own if I had the money to burn.

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    I agree with motor51, Dave_M, and Austin. I tried a RDS on an identical SP01 that I have used for competition for years. Iíve trained to use the front sight. With the RDS I slowed down a little bit because every time you loose the red dot you have to find it again while moving through a course of fire.

    This can be of course trained out if youíre willing to devote the time to do so. I havenít made the decision to train it out and will continue to use traditional sights. Only one of my handguns would have an RDS and the rest wouldnít.

    My point here is there is a learning curve and I donít want to learn a new way for only one handgun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwr461 View Post
    I agree with motor51, Dave_M, and Austin. I tried a RDS on an identical SP01 that I have used for competition for years. I’ve trained to use the front sight. With the RDS I slowed down a little bit because every time you loose the red dot you have to find it again while moving through a course of fire.

    This can be of course trained out if you’re willing to devote the time to do so. I haven’t made the decision to train it out and will continue to use traditional sights. Only one of my handguns would have an RDS and the rest wouldn’t.

    My point here is there is a learning curve and I don’t want to learn a new way for only one handgun.

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    The only reason I push people to try RDS on a pistol is because it will inevitably allow you to shoot better with irons.

    Most people have imperfect presentation with irons, but ignore it, because they can reference the relation between the front and rear sights to adjust for it. With a RDS, the dot is either in the window or it isn't. If the dot isn't there, your iron sights are not aligned and it's entirely on you as the shooter to fix your presentation. The issue comes when iron sight shooters tend to panic and try to go back to their front sight and find that relation between the front and rear sights to adjust, then go back to the dot. If you watch top Open Class or Carry Optics shooters present the gun versus how iron sight shooters did things 10+ years ago, you will see that they present that gun flat, so that the sights are aligned or the dot is immediately present once the gun is in their workspace.

    The learning curve exists, but it's more in the draw stroke and presentation than anything to do with the sighting system.

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    I've been waiting for so many of these and others to be released. Almost everyone is behind or having production problems. At least, there are so many more good choices now

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAVE_M View Post
    The only reason I push people to try RDS on a pistol is because it will inevitably allow you to shoot better with irons.

    Most people have imperfect presentation with irons, but ignore it, because they can reference the relation between the front and rear sights to adjust for it. With a RDS, the dot is either in the window or it isn't. If the dot isn't there, your iron sights are not aligned and it's entirely on you as the shooter to fix your presentation. The issue comes when iron sight shooters tend to panic and try to go back to their front sight and find that relation between the front and rear sights to adjust, then go back to the dot. If you watch top Open Class or Carry Optics shooters present the gun versus how iron sight shooters did things 10+ years ago, you will see that they present that gun flat, so that the sights are aligned or the dot is immediately present once the gun is in their workspace.

    The learning curve exists, but it's more in the draw stroke and presentation than anything to do with the sighting system.
    Thatís a very valid point that I hadnít considered. I like it because thatís why I feel that people should learn on DA revolvers. Once you learn a level of trigger control for both accurate and relatively rapid shooting I believe it helps with trigger control on all handguns.

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    Last edited by dwr461; June 18th, 2020 at 12:48 PM.
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    I enjoyed dry-fire, and then I tried a dot. I've heard that if iron sights whisper, then the red dot screams. It's like a having a shooting coach for every press.

    I'm a fan, and I'm curious to see what P365-size guns with mini-dots are like compared to their larger brethren.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twinin View Post
    I've been waiting for so many of these and others to be released. Almost everyone is behind or having production problems. At least, there are so many more good choices now
    I had a Sig Romeo Zero on order, switched over the Holosun 507K, and am now semi-patiently waiting. I keep hearing "a few more weeks" every time I check on when it will be available, so this thread gives me some hope!

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    You guys were totally correct, my 507K shipped a few days ago, with any luck I'll have it tomorrow or Monday. Looking forward to trying it out!

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